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    Default Fans want passing, inversions

    We want inversions:
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    Brandon Sheppard led flag-to-flag in front of a packed house at Lavonia Speedway to claim his third World of Outlaws Craftsman Late Model Series feature win of the 2018 season.
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    Mike Marlar claimed his first World of Outlaws Craftsman® Late Model Series win of the 2018 season on Friday at Cherokee Speedway in front of a full house. The Winfield Warrior led all 50-laps
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    Madden and his No. 44 Barry Wright Race Cars House Car team swept the night by setting fast time, claiming his heat win, drawing the pole position and leading all 50 laps of a thrilling feature on Senoia’s “gray gumbo” 3/8-mile bullring.

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    Don't really know these tracks but have you ever considered that it might be the racetrack? Shouldn't punish a guy who is performing that night by sticking him behind a freight train.

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    I am with you, more inversions--- Depends on whether you look at it as a sport or entertainment. The sporting side says heads up; I am sure their are a ton of people who truly like to see it this way. Myself, the cream will always rise to the top, so let's put on a show and reward those who do (passing cash). As for the racetrack, if it truly is the track being one grooved than lets change it-banking, dirt, water, fences...you wouldn't last long in the movie theater business with a projector that was broken, why do tracks think they can be successful with inferior surfaces?

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    quick note , Brandon Overton did pass for the lead over Marlar on the backstretch, but caution came out before the lap was complete to put him back in the lead and then Overton blew a right rear. But still I agree with you. Inversion , something.

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    I don't mind inversions. But it's worse when there is an inversion & there is still no passing. And that is on the track. It's happened a few times at our local track. The #4 qualifier starts on the pole & wins flag to flag.

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    One other important piece to this---the cars themselves. Dirt Late Models are aero dependent and truthfully everyone has started to get great equipment. The game becomes more about who misses the setup than who does which equals less passing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvelB7 View Post
    One other important piece to this---the cars themselves. Dirt Late Models are aero dependent and truthfully everyone has started to get great equipment. The game becomes more about who misses the setup than who does which equals less passing.
    So the race is won in the pits and with the checkbook. Maybe they should charge fans admission to the pits to watch them set their cars up.

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    Nascar 2.0 get em up off the ground...cut down the spoiler and the fins on it about 3-4 inches that thing is absolutely massive...
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    The body from the rear clip back they got kicked out to the right almost at a 22° angle so the spoiler gets air to it..all these things are contributing to bad racing...and have I mentioned before how ugly and disproportionate the cars are getting...

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    Yes, its pretty simple to fix, not sure why they don't want too.

    Cut the spoilers down, spec the RF. Spec the bodies in general, and make them more square. easy, easy stuff to do.

    Another thing, not 1 race car driver in history, ever, likes inversions, redraws, any of that crap. There goal is to TQ, sit pole, and win, anything else your inviting chance into the mix. now that's just speaking to the Drivers point of view. I understand sacrifices have to be made for the sake of a good show, but criticizing a Driver for winning from the pole is unfair and off base. In my mind he did a perfect job.

    Just say no...

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    The WoO has a redraw for starting positions. It's not like the entire program is straight up. The top cars are so close together in terms of speed that passing is a very tall order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh Bayko View Post
    The WoO has a redraw for starting positions. It's not like the entire program is straight up. The top cars are so close together in terms of speed that passing is a very tall order.
    Basically this; WoO redraws. If the track isn't conducive to passing the top several guys are close in speed and you won't see it. Tracks down south don't seem to be very racy generally speaking.
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    When there's maybe .1-.2 difference between the top 6-8 cars, inversions only punish the guy who was quickest to begin with.

    Fix the cars. Take away all this aero stuff and find out who can actually drive these things the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B_K View Post
    When there's maybe .1-.2 difference between the top 6-8 cars, inversions only punish the guy who was quickest to begin with.

    Fix the cars. Take away all this aero stuff and find out who can actually drive these things the best.
    and prep the track...

    If you invert, the invert # needs to be pretty large to get some of the not so great equipment up front for the guys with good stuff to pass.. the best through the traffic wins.
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    Brian Shirley - Fayette Co
    Will Vaught - La Salle
    Bobby Pierce - Macon
    Bobby Pierce - Tri -City
    Chris Simpson - Davenport
    Jonathan Davenport -Hagerstown

    All flag to flag in the last few weeks, none in the South. I'd challenge you to find five better tracks than Senoia.... anywhere.

    There are several tracks that do suck in this region, but there's also several really good ones. The cars are too close and too aero dominant for inverts to really help out a show in most cases. Fix the cars.

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    You know how stereotypes are... they aren't always true; but start with a kernel of truth. Many Southern tracks prep tracks very hard, and just keep watering the top without working it.

    Some tracks up north do that also... and that is not conducive to good racing. Tracks end up slick with no cushion or bite anywhere in the track unless there is some type of rework mid-event. Those kinds of tracks I've seen way more parades on than good racing.
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    Stop qualifying. Draw for positions and make race in the heats.

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    With everyone having better and better equipment the difference between 1st and last in the feature doesnt seem as much as say 10-15 years ago. Lap traffic usually leads to the better racing for the lead, and faster back markers, cars stopping to change tires and the phantom debris cautions seems to put a damper on a lot of the lap traffic lately especially in shorter races.
    Also doesn't it seem like more drivers are worried about points now vs wins as compared to 15 years ago? Instead of throwing the kitchen sink at the car and going for the win, they make a minor adjustment and settle for a top 10 for a "solid points night"

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb1545 View Post
    With everyone having better and better equipment the difference between 1st and last in the feature doesnt seem as much as say 10-15 years ago. Lap traffic usually leads to the better racing for the lead, and faster back markers, cars stopping to change tires and the phantom debris cautions seems to put a damper on a lot of the lap traffic lately especially in shorter races.
    Also doesn't it seem like more drivers are worried about points now vs wins as compared to 15 years ago? Instead of throwing the kitchen sink at the car and going for the win, they make a minor adjustment and settle for a top 10 for a "solid points night"
    You hit on something. The cars that will stop on track just so they can change tires, and 50% or more of the time pull back in after the change doesn't help or they see they can't drive back up through anyone, ruins a lot of races. Either flow or racing in lapped traffic.

    There needs to be a penalty for this; but it's always a series regular so the series just doesn't go there.
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    The now defunct UFO series never had qualifying & they inverted top 12 in the feature, it was the best late model races I've ever seen, look up the you tube videos or dirt on dirt archives , great racing, do you agree Josh Bayko?
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