Timothy Culp getting out of racing?

[ThebigE]

I've noticed on FB he's been selling a ton of stuff. His new 2018 XR1, his hauler etc. What's up with that?

[turnleftandgasit]

His website has no races scheduled after the June 28th race at LaSalle

[TerryM]

Another one bites the dust. Pretty soon SLM racing will be down to 5 or 6 big money teams and no one else.

[Kwd1253]

That sucks to hear if he getting out slm. I hope he finds another career in different motor sport atleast. Rally or trophy track would fit his personality if he out slm

[Ben Shelton]

May nor may not keep his Late Model, but scaling back and likely getting a Modified to run regionally. Wants to focus on the family business for the foreseeable future.

- Ben

[Tireguy17]

The problem is racers thinking they are capable of running a national tour when they aren't. Since they have been around they have been made up of 10-12 teams with support from the regional teams at any given track on the tour. The model is still the same. If a business is run poorly, what happens? It fails and/or scales back. JMO

[grt74]

May nor may not keep his Late Model, but scaling back and likely getting a Modified to run regionally. Wants to focus on the family business for the foreseeable future.

- Ben

this is happening more and more as weekly supers fade, no where to run, and to travel takes cash and time, its hard to have both at the same time

[Pennsboro23]

It's a shame that we're going to lose another car.

[00Hdmn]

Supers are going to be gone locally in the next 5 years completely. You will have a MAX of 50 teams and its everyones fault from the car builders to the shock guys to the engine builders. When there is only that many teams wait to see the price of everything.

[chopter]

May nor may not keep his Late Model, but scaling back and likely getting a Modified to run regionally. Wants to focus on the family business for the foreseeable future.

- Ben

Love to see him in a mod. Thanks

[GEAR_HEAD]

Supers are going to be gone locally in the next 5 years completely. You will have a MAX of 50 teams and its everyones fault from the car builders to the shock guys to the engine builders. When there is only that many teams wait to see the price of everything.

At the end of the day the sanctioning bodies are the ones to blame. They could enforce rules that would keep costs down, especially with the bodies. Get rid of the huge noses, square off the bodies, get the body panels up off the ground, and slow them down. That would reduce costs and make the racing better.

[Matt49]

Supers are going to be gone locally in the next 5 years completely. You will have a MAX of 50 teams and its everyones fault from the car builders to the shock guys to the engine builders. When there is only that many teams wait to see the price of everything.

The sanctioning bodies are 99% to blame for the increased cost. When they allowed the spread bore motors, the genie was out of the bottle and there is no putting it back in. All of the other technology in terms or aero and shocks that has come about is a direct result of hooking up that extra 150-200HP that the tires just weren't designed to be able to handle.

[Tireguy17]

At the end of the day the sanctioning bodies are the ones to blame. They could enforce rules that would keep costs down, especially with the bodies. Get rid of the huge noses, square off the bodies, get the body panels up off the ground, and slow them down. That would reduce costs and make the racing better.

Nope. Racers are their own worst enemies when it comes to cost, and the part manufacturers are only feeding the demand set by the consumer. The only way sanctioning bodies can control costs is to spec parts (what IMCA has done to an extent), and then everyone b1tches about restricting innovation and ability to buy any part they want. Cost is a no win situation.

[00Hdmn]

The sanctioning bodies are 99% to blame for the increased cost. When they allowed the spread bore motors, the genie was out of the bottle and there is not putting it back in. All of the other technology in terms or aero and shocks that has come about is a direct result of hooking up that extra 150-200HP that the tires just weren't designed to be able to handle.

I agree with that.

[Matt49]

Fact 1: More rules NEVER decrease the cost of racing. Look at IndyCar. That is complete spec class and it is super expensive. Makes late models look like bombers from a cost perspective. And don't get me started on F1. Tons of rules and regulations. Tens of millions of dollars to even get a seat at the table.

Fact 2: Not enforcing rules ALWAYS increases the cost of racing. If you have rule that says, "no widgets", and you throw out any car with a widget on it, nobody goes and spends money on widgets. But if you allow one or two guys to run widgets because you don't want to tick them off, then EVERYBODY has to go buy widgets to be competitive.

What the late model sanctions have done is quite a force multiplier by continuing to ADD more and more rules while simultaneously continuing to NOT enforce any of the rules that they have. Hell when was the last time you even saw something as simple as engine setback measured at the track. It's complete incompetence from the top down. It grew too big too fast with a lot of mismanagement the entire way. The sport hasn't had a real visionary at the top since Bob Memmer. Everything since then has been a series of carnival barkers. And this "council" that they created which consists only of people who stand to PROFIT by separating racers from their money is an absolute joke.

You have to have SOME rules but if you don't enforce them, adding more rules is stupid. And that's exactly what they continue to do. K.I.S.S. But they don't so we will all be kissing late model racing goodbye if someone doesn't step up with some serious leadership and leave everyone's' egos in the dust.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Fact 1: More rules NEVER decrease the cost of racing. Look at IndyCar. That is complete spec class and it is super expensive. Makes late models look like bombers from a cost perspective. And don't get me started on F1. Tons of rules and regulations. Tens of millions of dollars to even get a seat at the table.

Fact 2: Not enforcing rules ALWAYS increases the cost of racing. If you have rule that says, "no widgets", and you throw out any car with a widget on it, nobody goes and spends money on widgets. But if you allow one or two guys to run widgets because you don't want to tick them off, then EVERYBODY has to go buy widgets to be competitive.

What the late model sanctions have done is quite a force multiplier by continuing to ADD more and more rules while simultaneously continuing to NOT enforce any of the rules that they have. Hell when was the last time you even saw something as simple as engine setback measured at the track. It's complete incompetence from the top down. It grew too big too fast with a lot of mismanagement the entire way. The sport hasn't had a real visionary at the top since Bob Memmer. Everything since then has been a series of carnival barkers. And this "council" that they created which consists only of people who stand to PROFIT by separating racers from their money is an absolute joke.

You have to have SOME rules but if you don't enforce them, adding more rules is stupid. And that's exactly what they continue to do. K.I.S.S. But they don't so we will all be kissing late model racing goodbye if someone doesn't step up with some serious leadership and leave everyone's' egos in the dust.

Ya know, I’d like to say I disagree with you somewhere, but, nope, spot on. Enforce the rules you have across the board, from Moyer and Bloomer, to Boggs and Carpenter.

[ThebigE]

Fact 1: More rules NEVER decrease the cost of racing. Look at IndyCar. That is complete spec class and it is super expensive. Makes late models look like bombers from a cost perspective. And don't get me started on F1. Tons of rules and regulations. Tens of millions of dollars to even get a seat at the table.

Fact 2: Not enforcing rules ALWAYS increases the cost of racing. If you have rule that says, "no widgets", and you throw out any car with a widget on it, nobody goes and spends money on widgets. But if you allow one or two guys to run widgets because you don't want to tick them off, then EVERYBODY has to go buy widgets to be competitive.

What the late model sanctions have done is quite a force multiplier by continuing to ADD more and more rules while simultaneously continuing to NOT enforce any of the rules that they have. Hell when was the last time you even saw something as simple as engine setback measured at the track. It's complete incompetence from the top down. It grew too big too fast with a lot of mismanagement the entire way. The sport hasn't had a real visionary at the top since Bob Memmer. Everything since then has been a series of carnival barkers. And this "council" that they created which consists only of people who stand to PROFIT by separating racers from their money is an absolute joke.

You have to have SOME rules but if you don't enforce them, adding more rules is stupid. And that's exactly what they continue to do. K.I.S.S. But they don't so we will all be kissing late model racing goodbye if someone doesn't step up with some serious leadership and leave everyone's' egos in the dust.

Unfortunately they are scared to enforce the laws on some but others they are all over them.

[ptown]

I've noticed on FB he's been selling a ton of stuff. His new 2018 XR1, his hauler etc. What's up with that?

Did Moyer hurt his feelings?

[GEAR_HEAD]

Nope. Racers are their own worst enemies when it comes to cost, and the part manufacturers are only feeding the demand set by the consumer. The only way sanctioning bodies can control costs is to spec parts (what IMCA has done to an extent), and then everyone b1tches about restricting innovation and ability to buy any part they want. Cost is a no win situation.

People with money are always going to buy $60,000 motors to win $1,200 weekly races. That will never change and there's no way to fix that. The sanctioning bodies can help control that though.

[ride height]

The costs for SLM is so over the top ridiculous, there is no way any normal middle class person can keep up. Even with decent sponsorship, it’s just off the charts expensive. Not enforcing rules will kill any type of racing. The tracks and sanctioning bodies are paying for it now. Racing is hard enough and takes years to “figure it out” if your a newbie, much less not enforcing rules. They get discouraged and quit. Thus have fewer enter the sport and it dies. Everyone loses. It sucks. It’s going to end up like pro sports....there will be 30 big name teams and that will be your SLM . They will travel around and put on a show. Provided there’s any tracks left to have a show. Sad.