Sprint Car Payout vs Late Model Payout

[racincowboy02]

Whats the difference in payout between the top touring series in both of these brands of racing. I know that the Lucas Oil series usually runs a regular points show for 12K to win and the Woo lates usually runs for 10K but what do the ASCOC and the WOO sprints run for usually

[Dlmfan123]

Ascoc is 5000with some 10s, WoO is typically 10

[3 wide]

The payout with woo sprints is about the same except for the fact that the sprints run a lot more races than the late models both run special races that pay more but it seems like the sprints draw bigger crowds.

[JustAddDirt]

The payout with woo sprints is about the same except for the fact that the sprints run a lot more races than the late models both run special races that pay more but it seems like the sprints draw bigger crowds.

Which I have yet to figure out why they have more fans. Most of the time it is follow the leader, not a lot of passing.

[kazual]

Hate to say it but in this day there are about as many passes for the lead in winged sprint cars as there are in lates.

[Dlmfan123]

The payout with woo sprints is about the same except for the fact that the sprints run a lot more races than the late models both run special races that pay more but it seems like the sprints draw bigger crowds.

Sprints have more specials, they do quite a few 2 day races with 6k Friday and 20 Saturday

[Mams]

Our local track pays 410’s 2.5 times the standard payout for late models. It has always been a sprint car track and also runs 305’s. When the late models run last it’s usually in front of crew, family & friends. Most of the crowd has left after the sprinters are done.

[WisWildManFan]

Which I have yet to figure out why they have more fans. Most of the time it is follow the leader, not a lot of passing.

I think some of it is the nascar connection while some of it is just the pure speed they produce. You can no nothing about racing and still be impressed by how fast they drive by you.

[waaac77]

Knoxville Sprint Nationals Saturday payout. These numbers are amazing.

E Main:
1. $600 2. $600 3. $600 4. $600 5. $800
6. $775 7. $750 8. $725 9. $700 10. $675
11. $650 12. $625 13. $600 14. $575 15. $550
16. $475 17. $450 18. $425 19. $400 20. $375
21. $350 22. $325

D Main:
1. $800 2. $800 3. $800 4. $800 5. $1,200
6. $1,100 7. $1,000 8. $950 9. $900 10. $850
11. $825 12. $800 13. $800 14. $800 15. $800
16. $800 17. $800 18. $800 19. $800 20. $800
21. $800 22. $800 23. $800 24. $800

C Main:
1. $1,000 2. $1,000 3. $1,000 4. $1,000 5. $2,000
6. $1,750 7. $1,500 8. $1,400 9. $1,300 10. $1,250 11. $1,225 12. $1,200 13. $1,175 14. $1,150 15. $1,125 16. $1,100 17. $1,050 18. $1,000 19. $950 20. $900
21. $850 22. $825 23. $825 24. $825

B Main:
1. $1,000 2. $1,000 3. $1,000 4. $1,000 5. $8,000
6. $7,000 7. $6,000 8. $5,000 9. $4,000 10. $3,500 11. $3,000 12. $2,500 13. $2,250 14. $2,000 15. $1,750 16. $1,500 17. $1,450 18. $1,400 19. $1,350 20. $1,300
21. $1,250 22. $1,200 23. $1,150 24. $1,100

Championship A Main:
1. $150,000 2. $75,000 3. $37,500 4. $26,000
5. $21,000 6. $20,000 7. $19,000 8. $18,000
9. $17,000 10. $16,000 11. $15,000 12. $14,000
13. $13,000 14. $12,000 15. $11,000 16. $10,500
17. $10,000 18. $10,000 19. $10,000 20. $10,000
21. $10,000 22. $10,000 23. $10,000 24. $10,000

TOTAL PURSE: $957,320

[brsteg]

Hate to say it but in this day there are about as many passes for the lead in winged sprint cars as there are in lates.

If not more; WoO and All*Stars neither one have a heads up format like Lucas; even WoO Lates with redraw doesn't seem to be pass happy. Which brings me to my next point

Which I have yet to figure out why they have more fans. Most of the time it is follow the leader, not a lot of passing.

Once the leaders get into lapped traffic you see really good racing any more in the sprints. But the heat races are absolutely follow the leader affairs except at the smallest bull rings. BUT (again) anymore, late model heat races look like a a sprint car heat race with heads up formats, more aero dependence, and lower car counts (less cars in a heat race to race one another.)

Knoxville Sprint Nationals Saturday payout. These numbers are amazing.

E Main:
1. $600 2. $600 3. $600 4. $600 5. $800
6. $775 7. $750 8. $725 9. $700 10. $675
11. $650 12. $625 13. $600 14. $575 15. $550
16. $475 17. $450 18. $425 19. $400 20. $375
21. $350 22. $325

D Main:
1. $800 2. $800 3. $800 4. $800 5. $1,200
6. $1,100 7. $1,000 8. $950 9. $900 10. $850
11. $825 12. $800 13. $800 14. $800 15. $800
16. $800 17. $800 18. $800 19. $800 20. $800
21. $800 22. $800 23. $800 24. $800

C Main:
1. $1,000 2. $1,000 3. $1,000 4. $1,000 5. $2,000
6. $1,750 7. $1,500 8. $1,400 9. $1,300 10. $1,250 11. $1,225 12. $1,200 13. $1,175 14. $1,150 15. $1,125 16. $1,100 17. $1,050 18. $1,000 19. $950 20. $900
21. $850 22. $825 23. $825 24. $825

B Main:
1. $1,000 2. $1,000 3. $1,000 4. $1,000 5. $8,000
6. $7,000 7. $6,000 8. $5,000 9. $4,000 10. $3,500 11. $3,000 12. $2,500 13. $2,250 14. $2,000 15. $1,750 16. $1,500 17. $1,450 18. $1,400 19. $1,350 20. $1,300
21. $1,250 22. $1,200 23. $1,150 24. $1,100

Championship A Main:
1. $150,000 2. $75,000 3. $37,500 4. $26,000
5. $21,000 6. $20,000 7. $19,000 8. $18,000
9. $17,000 10. $16,000 11. $15,000 12. $14,000
13. $13,000 14. $12,000 15. $11,000 16. $10,500
17. $10,000 18. $10,000 19. $10,000 20. $10,000
21. $10,000 22. $10,000 23. $10,000 24. $10,000

TOTAL PURSE: $957,320

Knoxville has already announced $50,000 in added money for leading laps in the feature ($1K per lap) for 2020, which if the rest of the purse stays the same {which I expect at the least} the Knoxville Nationals will be the first dirt race to pay a $1million dollar purse in a decade. (A real $Million)

Sprint cars as far as popularity and fans being energized may be the highest of any division in motorsports period right now. I think it has to do with the respect for the cars; big power, low weight, big sound; the spectacle of speed; pretty decent feature races; and incredible marketing that is taking advantage of the NASCAR connection and making converts, but also just taking advantage of how much dirt fans love dirt racing.

Late Model racing is behind on the hype train. But when you look at big events; Late Models still race for bigger purses more often and still draw more cars generally speaking. WRG/Dirtvision are always going to favor the chosen child; if Late Models are going to grow it sits in Lucas Oil's lap I believe.

[HoosierDirtFan]

Knoxville Sprint Nationals Saturday payout. These numbers are amazing.

E Main:
1. $600 2. $600 3. $600 4. $600 5. $800
6. $775 7. $750 8. $725 9. $700 10. $675
11. $650 12. $625 13. $600 14. $575 15. $550
16. $475 17. $450 18. $425 19. $400 20. $375
21. $350 22. $325

D Main:
1. $800 2. $800 3. $800 4. $800 5. $1,200
6. $1,100 7. $1,000 8. $950 9. $900 10. $850
11. $825 12. $800 13. $800 14. $800 15. $800
16. $800 17. $800 18. $800 19. $800 20. $800
21. $800 22. $800 23. $800 24. $800

C Main:
1. $1,000 2. $1,000 3. $1,000 4. $1,000 5. $2,000
6. $1,750 7. $1,500 8. $1,400 9. $1,300 10. $1,250 11. $1,225 12. $1,200 13. $1,175 14. $1,150 15. $1,125 16. $1,100 17. $1,050 18. $1,000 19. $950 20. $900
21. $850 22. $825 23. $825 24. $825

B Main:
1. $1,000 2. $1,000 3. $1,000 4. $1,000 5. $8,000
6. $7,000 7. $6,000 8. $5,000 9. $4,000 10. $3,500 11. $3,000 12. $2,500 13. $2,250 14. $2,000 15. $1,750 16. $1,500 17. $1,450 18. $1,400 19. $1,350 20. $1,300
21. $1,250 22. $1,200 23. $1,150 24. $1,100

Championship A Main:
1. $150,000 2. $75,000 3. $37,500 4. $26,000
5. $21,000 6. $20,000 7. $19,000 8. $18,000
9. $17,000 10. $16,000 11. $15,000 12. $14,000
13. $13,000 14. $12,000 15. $11,000 16. $10,500
17. $10,000 18. $10,000 19. $10,000 20. $10,000
21. $10,000 22. $10,000 23. $10,000 24. $10,000

TOTAL PURSE: $957,320

It would be cool to see Eldora match that payout for a Late Model show. Yes I know they had the Million; but I’m talking this specific type of payout. Or let’s say the winners payout for the World stays the same but they pad the back end of the payout in a huge way like this and do a alphabet soup of consi’s and then he BIG show. I’d bet car count goes up a good buy because drivers realize they have a chance to make a decent buck.

[Mams]

Nathan, you might be correct but Eldora laps are really hard on an engine. Local guys might be able to afford a refresh but not a complete engine rebuild or a new engine. I really think today’s Eldora format is difficult for local guys because of the number of racing laps required.

[golddirt]

I have to agree on the Eldora late model shows I think by adding all of the extra features on Thursday and Friday has really hurt

[waaac77]

I have to agree on the Eldora late model shows I think by adding all of the extra features on Thursday and Friday has really hurt

I think youre right. It's kind of a catch 22. Nice for us fans to have extra nights of racing but it costs the teams a lot of money. Then throw in double heats, that don't help the cost as well. I don't think they do double heats at Eldora but just in general.

[Illtsate32]

Interesting. I wonder if these big late model show paid say 500 a lead lap, it would change the race completely...which raises the question could promoters maybe increase or say make the racing better by adding different incentives?...

[mcarter815]

Which I have yet to figure out why they have more fans. Most of the time it is follow the leader, not a lot of passing.

Sprint cars are just so fast and the racing feels more tense because it feels more dangerous.

[15b24fan]

Coming from someone that grew up and lives in Eastern Iowa, I was always a late model fan first. Saw my first 410 winged sprint car race at Knoxville a little more than 10 years ago. I would say over the last two or three years, I found myself attending as many or more sprint car shows than late models. The big thing for me is the speed difference. Other things that appeal is the level of danger raises the intensity from a fan standpoint, the cars are cool looking, etc... With that said, I still consider myself a big fan of late models too. Looking forward to attending the three nights in Knoxville a couple weeks from now.

[highgroove]

Put starters on the sprint cars and i will come...

[t3r3e3]

Never thought about the sprint vs late model engine angle, but it stands to reason the sprint car guys have lower engine costs because they’re turning less laps on them at big paying shows. Those midget gas tanks and push trucks help keep the costs down.

[mcarter815]

I bet 410 guys are spending more on motors that the national late model guys are. Those 410 motors don’t last very long before they need a rebuild and even a 305 motor is close to $20,000. The USAC midget guys are using $50,000 four cylinder engines.