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When I referenced the Super Dirtcar big blocks it was only to suggest that they appear to have had long term stability in their rules package. I don't want to wander far afield in this discussion from where it began. Their bodies are big air foils for sure and I'm sure they have their issues. But for those who are in the know, are they pretty judicious in their tech process from season to season? Are the expectations for the competitors pretty solid? Rules stability was the point of comparison. That was what I'd like to know about if someone has good input.
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I’m confused if we are talking about super late models or not here. Everyone wants all these changes to go back to how it was. Kind of like older guys walking up hill both ways to get to school. In the old days, you had certain guys that just dominated every race. Now we have what seems like a different winner each week. Racing is founded on innovation. All I read on here is “we gotta make it fair for everyone. Make it more even.” Life isn’t fair or even. That would be like the NCAA telling Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, etc. “Listen guys there’s too much of a gap. We are going to limit how big, strong, and fast athletes you’re allowed.” When I’m in my car, I want it to go as fast as it possibly can. I don’t want to be limited. Yes there should be a base set of rules for bodies and all of that. We are focused on slowing the guys with more money down for what reason? In college we would be up 50+ points at halftime, starters played until the 4th quarter. My coach would say,”it’s not my job to pull you guys back or slow you down, it’s the other teams job to raise their level of competition.” At the end of the day, racing at a high level is and never has been a been a sport for those who lack the funds. And I am one of those guys who lack the funds. It’s my job to find a way to get the equipment, connect with the right people for information, and work harder than the next guy.
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1) Sprint cars still have solid axles.
2) it isn't up to part mfgs and racers to make the cars body rules up every year in FL. It is techs job to enforce.
You just want people to show up with stuff outside the box, and if you are the right guy, it conforms to the rule next year. That's what we have been doing.
Rules consistency is important. Especially on things that effect performance. When a guy has a car a few years old and his deck height is now 2" below allowable, that is a sign of a systemic problem with the class.
When the first guy hit the scales with the rf still pinned and his deck was too high, he should have failed. It's his job to bring a car that passes tech. It is not the job of tech to issue a new rules amendment so he passes.
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And Shuman came across completely lost, on DoD, in trying to explain how racers don't understand their limiter is obsolete or not. There are at least 2 or 3things he said that make zero sense.
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 Originally Posted by MasterSbilt_Racer
And Shuman came across completely lost, on DoD, in trying to explain how racers don't understand their limiter is obsolete or not. There are at least 2 or 3things he said that make zero sense.
Exactly, I'd venture almost everyone runs some sort of multiple bump stop package (mostly RSW) and more and more guys have gone to enclosed canisters to protect the bump stops. So yes Shuman, they are now obsolete. Also Ray said something that made zero sense in regards to his 49 1/2 being the same as WoO 50 1/2 once the WoO legal rubber compresses. He might want to work on his math. Also since the beginning with Ray he insists that once you get it set on the chain you won't adjust it. I don't know about you but I like to adjust my droop.
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Something needs to be done about all the different rules for different series their needs to be 1 set of rules just like other sports same rules for every team in football same in baseball Whichever series driver if their off some weekend and they pull in a certain track have to change all kinds of stuff no quick fix butt something needs to be done
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i dont care how many rules you implement , money will still be there and still have an advantage , if you financially cant compete , or cant figure any thing out for your self and build it your self , its time to find something new ...JMO....
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Originally Posted by MasterSbilt_Racer
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1) Sprint cars still have solid axles.
2) it isn't up to part mfgs and racers to make the cars body rules up every year in FL. It is techs job to enforce.
You just want people to show up with stuff outside the box, and if you are the right guy, it conforms to the rule next year. That's what we have been doing.
Rules consistency is important. Especially on things that effect performance. When a guy has a car a few years old and his deck height is now 2" below allowable, that is a sign of a systemic problem with the class.
When the first guy hit the scales with the rf still pinned and his deck was too high, he should have failed. It's his job to bring a car that passes tech. It is not the job of tech to issue a new rules amendment so he passes.
Look at you, A+ today. Beyond true and so fuked up.
Up in the air who my next “favorite” driver is. Really losing hope on Bloomer getting anywhere back to “normal”.
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 Wedge 2.0 or Hike is DLM Meth
I never walked uphill both ways to school and back, only to school. I'm not in favor of making things fair or having everyone, all the same, that's socialism and has NO place in this country or this sport. By some children's standards I am an old guy, been working on DLM's since I was 16 beginning in 1986, I'm sure your smartphone can tell you my age. There is wisdom that comes with age and experience, I know you're sorry a$$ public education has indoctrinated you to believe that being young is everything and that you are the "Golden-Savior" Generation, but pump the brakes, sonny. The point of view that some of us older fella's have is that we've been thru a lot of this before, we lived through the wedge years and what it did to the sport's overall health. This has all been done before, only the method has changed, the outcome is the same, costs have skyrocketed and car counts have plummeted. If all you want is unbridled technology, then keep doing what you've been doing, but just know the fun you're having now will eventually kill the patient. I'm not opposed to innovation, but in order to have a sport that is growing and not dying we've got to get off the drug that is, "Hike".
Hike and/or getting up on the bars is the root of the costs issues currently killing DLM. Hike gives instant unnatural traction, the same way meth gives an unnatural burst of energy and stamina, but it comes with a high cost, it eats you up from the inside. Because hike gives more traction you then can utilize more power, which in turn costs more money. Hike also increases corner speed through aerodynamic benefits of mimicking a wedge-style body attitude. No matter how you look at it, "Hike" is the "Root" of the issue, everything grew out of that bass-turdization of the rear suspension. Wedge cars had a similar effect on performance to Hike, but steps were taken sooner with the wedge to get DLM back on the path to health and growth.
It's true racing has always been expensive and by no means do I want every car to be identical, but as my old friend, "MBR" once said, "In order to have a DLM, the rules must in fact define what a DLM is."(paraphrase) Unhooking the cars and getting back to a more traditional way of running them is the only way to right the ship that is free-market in ideaology. Enforce the rules consistently, limit the hike(I'd prefer no more than 2 inches from ride height), even out the nose height to a much lower tolerance, it use to be 6 inches... Or you can keep using the popular DLM drug of choice, "Hike" and continue to watch the demise of the sport. DLM like Nascar had its roots in blue-collar America, Nascar has very clearly shown what happens when you don't keep things in check and let technology run amuck, lets not follow the Nascar path into further decline and exclusivity.
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Originally Posted by fastford
i dont care how many rules you implement , money will still be there and still have an advantage , if you financially cant compete , or cant figure any thing out for your self and build it your self , its time to find something new ...JMO....
Money, talent, and chemistry.
Though letting it get to where they don’t enforce the rules they have is just laughable, when you then start new ones. Enforce the sh!t ya got.
I know ya race, just crazy watching the bodies become what they are. And not enforcing basic rules.
Up in the air who my next “favorite” driver is. Really losing hope on Bloomer getting anywhere back to “normal”.
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Need to hire the Brooks (Ricky)?guy from the asphalt world. No BS, here it is, idc who ya are.
Up in the air who my next “favorite” driver is. Really losing hope on Bloomer getting anywhere back to “normal”.
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Originally Posted by Morgs153
When I referenced the Super Dirtcar big blocks it was only to suggest that they appear to have had long term stability in their rules package. I don't want to wander far afield in this discussion from where it began. Their bodies are big air foils for sure and I'm sure they have their issues. But for those who are in the know, are they pretty judicious in their tech process from season to season? Are the expectations for the competitors pretty solid? Rules stability was the point of comparison. That was what I'd like to know about if someone has good input.
The only time they ever really pass through a thorough tech is Super Dirt Week.
But your overall point about rules consistency is true. They’ve been working with the save basic front suspension design for 50+ years. Rear suspensions were largely the same for the same amount of time, but on the last year people started to get creative. DIRTcar clamped down on that going into this year, though, so basically everybody will be on the same rear too going into the future. The engines have been he same since the early 80’s.
What is hurting the division some is the split between the SDS snd STSS. The SDS has their rules, which are largely what your advocating for. The STSS starts with the same basic car, but when it comes to engines, is largely the wild wild West.
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Change the cars back like they used to be back around the year 2000 or so then teams wouldn't be shelling out all this BIG money then some of the DLM drivers could come back to DLM racing
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Originally Posted by MasterSbilt_Racer
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1) Sprint cars still have solid axles.
2) it isn't up to part mfgs and racers to make the cars body rules up every year in FL. It is techs job to enforce.
You just want people to show up with stuff outside the box, and if you are the right guy, it conforms to the rule next year. That's what we have been doing.
Rules consistency is important. Especially on things that effect performance. When a guy has a car a few years old and his deck height is now 2" below allowable, that is a sign of a systemic problem with the class.
When the first guy hit the scales with the rf still pinned and his deck was too high, he should have failed. It's his job to bring a car that passes tech. It is not the job of tech to issue a new rules amendment so he passes.
What he said!!! How did we get to 15in of RF Clearance? Some Full blown dirt bikes that JUMP dont have that much suspension travel!!!
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Originally Posted by Taboo62
I never walked uphill both ways to school and back, only to school. I'm not in favor of making things fair or having everyone, all the same, that's socialism and has NO place in this country or this sport. By some children's standards I am an old guy, been working on DLM's since I was 16 beginning in 1986, I'm sure your smartphone can tell you my age. There is wisdom that comes with age and experience, I know you're sorry a$$ public education has indoctrinated you to believe that being young is everything and that you are the "Golden-Savior" Generation, but pump the brakes, sonny. The point of view that some of us older fella's have is that we've been thru a lot of this before, we lived through the wedge years and what it did to the sport's overall health. This has all been done before, only the method has changed, the outcome is the same, costs have skyrocketed and car counts have plummeted. If all you want is unbridled technology, then keep doing what you've been doing, but just know the fun you're having now will eventually kill the patient. I'm not opposed to innovation, but in order to have a sport that is growing and not dying we've got to get off the drug that is, "Hike".
Hike and/or getting up on the bars is the root of the costs issues currently killing DLM. Hike gives instant unnatural traction, the same way meth gives an unnatural burst of energy and stamina, but it comes with a high cost, it eats you up from the inside. Because hike gives more traction you then can utilize more power, which in turn costs more money. Hike also increases corner speed through aerodynamic benefits of mimicking a wedge-style body attitude. No matter how you look at it, "Hike" is the "Root" of the issue, everything grew out of that bass-turdization of the rear suspension. Wedge cars had a similar effect on performance to Hike, but steps were taken sooner with the wedge to get DLM back on the path to health and growth.
It's true racing has always been expensive and by no means do I want every car to be identical, but as my old friend, "MBR" once said, "In order to have a DLM, the rules must in fact define what a DLM is."(paraphrase) Unhooking the cars and getting back to a more traditional way of running them is the only way to right the ship that is free-market in ideaology. Enforce the rules consistently, limit the hike(I'd prefer no more than 2 inches from ride height), even out the nose height to a much lower tolerance, it use to be 6 inches... Or you can keep using the popular DLM drug of choice, "Hike" and continue to watch the demise of the sport. DLM like Nascar had its roots in blue-collar America, Nascar has very clearly shown what happens when you don't keep things in check and let technology run amuck, lets not follow the Nascar path into further decline and exclusivity.
Yes what he said too!
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Originally Posted by fastford
i dont care how many rules you implement , money will still be there and still have an advantage , if you financially cant compete , or cant figure any thing out for your self and build it your self , its time to find something new ...JMO....
As one driver told me....the cats outa the bag now, you cant put him back in!
Back in the day, they used to say.....run what ya brung and if you got beat, bring more next week!
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Originally Posted by ZERO25
As one driver told me....the cats outa the bag now, you cant put him back in!
Back in the day, they used to say.....run what ya brung and if you got beat, bring more next week!
Memmer put it back in the bag.
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There is a particular poster on this thread that needs to have his post brought back up if he starts complaining about the late model car counts at the track he`s promoting this year. Car counts are dwindling everywhere and doing nothing and letting things keep going the way they have been obviously hasn`t been helping anything. Sorry can`t` quote.
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Originally Posted by ZERO25
As one driver told me....the cats outa the bag now, you cant put him back in!
Back in the day, they used to say.....run what ya brung and if you got beat, bring more next week!
this is true , like taboo ,s reference to nascar , look what all there rules have produced , controlled racing to the hilt , so now if you dont have zillions of dollars to accommodate multi car teams , you are no where near competitive , a prime example is wood brothers , the last soldiers and they are now no longer effective , now look at DLM,s , you have basically 3 or 4 multi car teams that are wining all the races , this is why i feel rules alone are not the answer , and trying to stifle the ones with funds with rules will not work either , they will still be able to afford the best engineered parts thats with in the rules that will be impossible for some one like me to duplicate , i honestly think that the future of dirt racing as a whole lies in the lower classes , and even they are effected by money to an extent , but rules here play a much more important role in survival....JMO....
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