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I remember crates trying to compete at FC years ago. The times just weren't there. Some have tried it on the Hell tour before also with little success.
8/13/16
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I went to a race in S.C.... I won't name the track, dosen't matter. It was early March this year if I remember correctly. Long story short, there were like 25 super Lates there and around 25 Crates. Well the guy who sat on the pole for the Crate feature ran a lap that would have qualified him in like 10th place in the Super feature that paid $10,000 to win. I noticed the time he set but nobody else did......
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Also in the South in the Blue Ridge Outlaw Latemodel series, guys in crates and 525 motors out run supers weekly. The series runs all of them combined.
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Ricky Weeks won like 13 races in the series a couple of years ago running a 525 all season long. Mind you it was like a 30 race schedule.
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Except for a few exceptions, open late models are regionally or nationally sanctioned. Weekly late model programs are mainly crate late models or limited late models.
Financially that makes sense for most promoters.
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It should also make sense to local drivers, but just as I posted above, for some it don't. They spend thousands more than some other local guys who are beating them on weekly bases.
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Nobody ever got into racing saying I'll be happy retiring from 4cyl, hobby stock, or even crate latemodel. Everyone pinnacle different but in latemodel world it's a super, just sayin! But y'all keep twisting the bs how ever you like to make fit your theory
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Originally Posted by Waldo
Also in the South in the Blue Ridge Outlaw Latemodel series, guys in crates and 525 motors out run supers weekly. The series runs all of them combined.
My favorite touring series, bar none. You got a car, you can run with us. It doesn't pay much, so the big guns ain't coming, which makes it even better for competition. They put on fantastic races!
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The Blue Ridge Outlaw group is good for the area, but I will tell you- go to Wythe without a super motor and you are in the way.... Most tracks they run the limited or 525 takes the money. (not many true Supers show up).
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Do what we did years ago...everybody ran the same class.... Poor boys, rich guys and those who couldn't tell the difference.
Group qualify and put the slower cars in the B main.
I'd sooner see 30 cars in one class than 30 cars split between 3 or 4.
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I know people like to think Crates and 525s can "Run" with Supers, but when the track is ripe in heat races and qualifying, your a sitting duck. You can never overcome the bad qualifying, its all about the Heat races, making the transfer spot.
Sure in the Feature they can, because the track slicks off. Evens out the engines. A SLM engine, say 875 Hp, 99% of time in the Features we are DE-tuning them, 390 cfm carbs, restrictor plates, uncouple the 4 barrel and run on 2. We put a taller gear in so your running above the peak power and torque curves etc etc. There are all kinds of tricks. But the reality is, if you do not qualify well your suffering, and your chances to win are greatly diminished.
Whats the Answer? Who knows but i think it will take a Industry wide effort. Unless that Industry wants SLMs to be a Special Event only type of deal, and that may be there intent, let them be that wide open, raw power type class.
Personally i think current SLM racing, Touring level, Heat Races are boring, all it is 900hp hold it to the floor and hope a guy screws up so you can pass a car. If you dont start on the front 2 rows, your B main bound, most of the time.
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Originally Posted by Kromulous
I know people like to think Crates and 525s can "Run" with Supers, but when the track is ripe in heat races and qualifying, your a sitting duck. You can never overcome the bad qualifying, its all about the Heat races, making the transfer spot. The reality is, if you do not qualify well your suffering, and your chances to win are greatly diminished.
100% correct right there. And I've never seen a slicked off track for qualifying. Most times I witnessed crates competing was because of low car counts at a few tracks. They were a full 2 seconds off of fast time but made the A Main because of the lack of cars. I don't have to tell you where they finished.
8/13/16
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Originally Posted by nc mudcat
My favorite touring series, bar none. You got a car, you can run with us. It doesn't pay much, so the big guns ain't coming, which makes it even better for competition. They put on fantastic races!
Not knocking your series out there. Probably does produce great racing. But that 3rd sentence says it all.
8/13/16
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The cars are too expensive and there isn't enough interest and fans out there to help the track afford a high payout. Seems people only really care about Lucas Oil and WOO when it comes to late models. Weekly racing is a local, community thing. When the cars get too expensive you push out the people in the local community and you end up with a few REALLY fast super late models lapping guys with outdated stuff just attempting to keep up. The interest isn't there for SLM weekly racing and there aren't enough filthy rich people interested in racing them. Pretty sure fans and people in the pits at weekly races are there to see their friends and family race, not some yuppie yahoo that shows up in a stacker just because he can.
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Originally Posted by Highside Hustler25
100% correct right there. And I've never seen a slicked off track for qualifying. Most times I witnessed crates competing was because of low car counts at a few tracks. They were a full 2 seconds off of fast time but made the A Main because of the lack of cars. I don't have to tell you where they finished.
Tracks need to get rid of qualifying. I don't remember ever having qualifying when we had supers running weekly here.
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Originally Posted by Jim11h
Nobody ever got into racing saying I'll be happy retiring from 4cyl, hobby stock, or even crate latemodel. Everyone pinnacle different but in latemodel world it's a super, just sayin! But y'all keep twisting the bs how ever you like to make fit your theory
Maybe for the racers that have a rich daddy. We got into racing expecting to run whatever we can afford and not trying to do more than that.
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The cost of weekly local racing not in any form of LM racing to even be somewhat competitive is out of control.
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Originally Posted by mcarter815
Maybe for the racers that have a rich daddy. We got into racing expecting to run whatever we can afford and not trying to do more than that.
No kidding. For most racers, the idea of racing a SLM isn't even a thing. It's unrealistic to evenn humor the idea. Only way is if someone offered you a ride.
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Hell, I don't know anybody local to me who has ever retired racing a Latemodel. You know why? Because it dosen't exist. And when N.C. Mudcat said that the Blue ridge series dosen't pay much, that was totaly directed for the South. That Series pays as good as Supers running in the Midwest on a weekly bases.
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