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    Quote Originally Posted by mcarter815 View Post
    I'm not talking about Obama. I'm talking about McConnell since he was the one who had the power to hold up the nomination in 2016 and he has the same power today. Stop deflecting.
    He had a majority in the senate. And he does now also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcarter815 View Post
    At least one Republican senator has stepped up to show she has principles.

    https://www.alaskapublic.org/2020/09...d-of-election/
    No she didn't, she just showed that she is a fake Republican, as she generally votes with the Dumbocrats.

    Guess what, usually when a judge passes away they get replaced. But all that matters to you is that it would keep the Communists from controlling the Supreme Court.
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    Perhaps, Trump should nominate Obama, Biden and Clinton and watch them sweat and squirm under intense interrogation by the Senate Republicans!

    Of course, they would never make the final cut!

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    Back to post # 7.

    Quote Originally Posted by mcarter815 View Post
    Let the voters decide. Just like McConnell said in 2016.
    For the record, I follow your position, and to a certain degree, I agree with what you are saying --- furthering, this particular instance is so very much convoluted with Political bias as Klem pointed out, and that is unfortunate because the bad precedents from both sides of the aisle were set, and now being argued over.

    RBG’s untimely death couldn’t have come at a worse time --- that, and I think all politicians as a whole could have waited at least till after her funeral. That is my opinion.

    I hope you follow the points I tried to make, and they didn’t go over your head with my postings.

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    I'm glad someone finally replied without deflecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lurker View Post
    The irony in this too funny.
    The opposite of “wrinkley ..............irony !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcarter815 View Post
    I'm glad someone finally replied without deflecting.
    Kind of like you only answering or replying to the questions that you want too?
    Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbecueboy View Post
    Kind of like you only answering or replying to the questions that you want too?
    I don't answer questions that are intended to detail the topic or if I reject the premise of the question.

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    klem , 29 times through out history , a sitting president has nominated some one during an election year , both dem and repub , leaving McConnell out of it , why is it wrong for trump to do it , besides your usual hatred????

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcarter815 View Post
    I don't answer questions that are intended to detail the topic or if I reject the premise of the question.
    Heaven forbid you accept any valid details on a topic.....

    " if I reject the premise of the question"????

    You must have a hell of a time answering the dreaded paper or plastic question at the knitting store.
    Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbecueboy View Post
    Heaven forbid you accept any valid details on a topic.....

    " if I reject the premise of the question"????

    You must have a hell of a time answering the dreaded paper or plastic question at the knitting store.
    Are you going to comment on McConnell's hypocrisy or are you just here to troll? Your schtick is boring and that's why I end up ignoring you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcarter815 View Post
    i don't answer questions that are intended to detail the topic or if i reject the premise of the question.
    yeah your k,ind don't like "details" and facts !!!!!

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    i know most won't read the entire thing but "Biden Rules" from Senator Grassley in 2016:

    https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news...rules%E2%80%9D

    Feb 22, 2016
    Prepared Floor Statement of Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa
    Chairman Senate Judiciary Committee
    Supreme Court Vacancies In Presidential Election Years:
    “The Biden Rules”
    Monday, February 22, 2016

    Mr. President, we find ourselves in a very unusual situation. We are in a presidential election year. The campaign for our next commander-in-chief is in full swing. Voting has begun.

    Some candidates for president have dropped out of the race after disappointing finishes in the primaries.

    Republicans hold the gavels in the Senate.

    And a term limited Democrat in the twilight of his presidency occupies the White House.

    It’s within this context that our nation has lost one of the great legal minds ever to serve on the court.

    Justice Scalia’s death marks the first time a sitting Supreme Court Justice has passed away in a presidential election year in 100 years. And it’s the first time a sitting Supreme Court Justice passed away in a presidential election year during divided government since 1888.

    As my colleagues and I grapple with how the Senate Judiciary Committee should approach this set of circumstances, we seek guidance and wisdom from a number of sources. These include history, practice and good sense.

    And yes, we look to what former committee chairmen have had to say.

    In reviewing this history, I’m reminded of remarks a former Chairman delivered during an election year.

    That former Chairman tackled this knotty problem. And he described what should happen if a Supreme Court vacancy arises during a presidential election year.

    In fact, this Chairman’s guidance is particularly instructive because he delivered his remarks in a presidential election year, during a time of divided government.

    The presidential election year was 1992.

    We had no Supreme Court vacancy.

    No justice had passed away unexpectedly.

    No justice had announced his or her intention to retire.

    Rather, it was the fear of an unexpected resignation that drove this former Chairman to the Senate floor one day before the end of the court’s term.

    Near the beginning of his lengthy remarks, this Chairman – who was and remains a friend – noted another speech he’d delivered several years prior on the ‘advice and consent’ clause.

    That speech – from July of 1987 – was titled “The Right and Duty of the Senate to Protect the Integrity of the Supreme Court.”

    This Chairman delivered those remarks in 1987 as the Senate embarked on one of its saddest episodes:

    The unfair and ugly treatment of an exceptional jurist, Judge Robert Bork.

    I don’t reference that episode to open old wounds. Only to provide context.

    Because it was in that speech, during that debate, that this former Chairman defended the Senate’s constitutional role in the appointments process.

    It was there, in that speech, during that debate in 1987, that this former Chairman reached back to an earlier debate from an especially warm summer in Philadelphia, 200 years prior.

    He reached back to the Constitutional Convention, because it was then and there that individuals like Rutledge of South Carolina, Wilson of Pennsylvania, Gohram of Massachusetts, and of course Madison of Virginia, debated how our young nation’s judges were going to be appointed.

    It was his examination of the debate in 1787 that led this former Chairman to declare, 200 years later, nearly to the day:

    “Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution clearly states that the President ‘shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint … judges of the Supreme Court.’ I will argue that the framers intended the Senate to take the broadest view of its constitutional responsibility. I will argue that the Senate historically has taken such a view.”

    Now, that discussion on the “advice and consent” clause transpired in 1987. But as I said, it was during a presidential election year in 1992 that my friend, this former Chairman took to the Senate floor.

    Why did he begin his remarks in 1992 by referencing an earlier speech on the ‘advice and consent’ clause?

    I will say it wasn’t only because senators sometimes like to quote the wise words they once spoke.

    My friend referenced his own remarks on the ‘advice and consent’ clause because he wanted to remind his colleagues of the Senate’s constitutional authority to provide, or withhold, consent, as the circumstances may require.

    And he wanted to remind his colleagues of the Senate’s constitutional authority before he addressed the real reason he rose to speak in 1992:

    The prospect of a Supreme Court vacancy in a presidential election year.

    After discussing confirmation debates that had not occurred in presidential election years, my friend turned to some of those that had:

    “Some of our nation’s most bitter and heated confirmation fights have come in presidential election years. The bruising confirmation fight over Roger Taney’s nomination in 1836; the Senate’s refusal to confirm four nominations by President Tyler in 1844; the single vote rejections of nominees Badger and Black by lameduck Presidents Fillmore and Buchanan, in the mid-19th century; and the narrow approval of Justices Lamar and Fuller in 1888 are just some examples of these fights in the 19th century.”

    He continued:

    “Overall, while only one in four Supreme Court nominations has been the subject of significant opposition, the figure rises to one out of two when such nominations are acted on in presidential election years.”

    This former Chairman then outlined some additional history of Supreme Court nominations in presidential election years.

    He emphasized that in four vacancies that arose during a presidential election year, the President exercised restraint and withheld from making a nomination until after the election.

    One of those Presidents was Abraham Lincoln.

    Ironically, like President Obama, our 16th President was a lawyer and called Illinois home.

    But unlike our current President, Abraham Lincoln didn’t feel compelled to submit a nomination before the people had spoken in November of 1864.


    Eventually, my friend got to the heart of the matter:

    “Should a justice resign this summer and the President move to name a successor, actions that will occur just days before the Democratic Convention and weeks before the Republican Convention meets, a process that is already in doubt in the minds of many will become distrusted by all. Senate consideration of a nominee under these circumstances is not fair to the President, to the nominee, or to the Senate itself.”

    (cont...)
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    (cont)

    https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news...rules%E2%80%9D

    "My friend went on to say:

    “It is my view that if a Supreme Court justice resigns tomorrow, or within the next several weeks, or resigns at the end of the summer, President Bush should consider following the practice of a majority of his predecessors and not name a nominee until after the November election is completed.”

    And, what is the Senate to do if a president ignores history, good sense, and the people, and submits a nominee under these circumstances?

    Here again, is my good friend’s answer:

    “It is my view that if the President goes the way of Presidents Fillmore and Johnson and presses an election-year nomination, the Senate Judiciary Committee should seriously consider not scheduling confirmation hearings on the nomination until after the political campaign season is over.”

    But what of the likely criticisms that will be lobbed at the committee and the Senate if it were to choose this path?

    My friend, the former Chairman continued:

    “I am sure, Mr. President, having uttered these words some will criticize such a decision and say it was nothing more than an attempt to save the seat on the Court in the hopes that a Democrat will be permitted to fill it, but that would not be our intention, Mr. President, if that were the course to choose in the Senate, to not consider holding hearings until after the election.”

    “Instead, it would be our pragmatic conclusion that once the political season is under way…action on a Supreme Court nomination must be put off until after the election campaign is over. That is what is fair to the nominee and is central to the process. Otherwise, it seems to me, Mr. President, we will be in deep trouble as an institution.”

    But won’t that impact the court? Can it function with eight members for some time? Won’t it create a “crisis”?
    Not remotely. My friend considered this as well, and appropriately dismissed it:

    “Others may fret that this approach will leave the Court with only eight members for some time. But as I see it, Mr. President, the cost[s] of such a result, the need to re-argue three or four cases that will divide the Justices four to four, are quite minor compared to the cost that a nominee, the President, the Senate, and the Nation would have to pay for what assuredly would be a bitter fight, no matter how good a person is nominated by the President, if that nomination were to take place in the next several weeks.”

    Let me read that last part again:

    “Others may fret that this approach will leave the Court with only eight members for some time. But … the cost[s] of such a result … are quite minor compared to the cost that a nominee, the President, the Senate, and the Nation would have to pay for what assuredly would be a bitter fight, no matter how good a person is nominated by the President.”

    That’s well said.

    This former Chairman is eloquent, where I’m plain spoken.

    I’d put it this way: It’s the principle that matters, not the person.

    My friend concluded this section of his remarks in this way:

    “In the end, this may be the only course of action that historical practice and practical realism can sustain.”

    Mr. President. These are the Biden Rules.

    The Biden Rules recognize “the framers intended the Senate to take the broadest view of its constitutional responsibility.”

    The Biden Rules recognize the wisdom of those presidents – including another lawyer and former state lawmaker from Illinois -- who exercised restraint by not submitting a Supreme Court nomination before The People had spoken.

    The Biden Rules recognize the court can operate smoothly with eight members for some time, and “the cost of such a result, the need to re-argue three or four cases that will divide the Justices four to four, are quite minor compared to the cost that a nominee, the President, the Senate, and the Nation would have to pay for what assuredly would be a bitter fight.”

    The Biden Rules recognize that under these circumstances, “[the President] should consider following the practice of a majority of his predecessors and not name a nominee until after the November election is completed.”

    The Biden Rules recognize that under these circumstances, “[It does not] matter how good a person is nominated by the President.”

    The Biden Rules recognize that “once the political season is under way … action on a Supreme Court nomination must be put off until after the election campaign is over. That is what is fair to the nominee and is central to the process.”

    The Biden Rules recognize that “Senate consideration of a nominee under these circumstances is not fair to the President, to the nominee, or to the Senate itself.”

    The Biden Rules recognize that under these circumstances, “the Senate Judiciary Committee should seriously consider not scheduling confirmation hearings on the nomination until after the political campaign season is over.”

    Mr. President, Vice President Biden is a friend. And I say that with the utmost sincerity.

    I served with him in this body and on the Judiciary Committee for nearly 30 years.

    He is honorable. He is sincere.

    He is loyal to the President he now serves.

    Because I know these things about him, I can say with confidence that he will enthusiastically support the President, and any nominee he submits to the Senate.

    But, I also know this about Vice President Biden.

    He may serve as Vice President, but he remains a United States Senator.

    That’s why, when he rose to speak in this Chamber for the last time, he shared this with his colleagues:

    “I may be resigning from the Senate today, but I will always be a Senate man. Except for the title of ‘father,’ there is no title, including ‘Vice President,’ that I am more proud to wear than that of United States Senator.”

    If the President of the United States insists on submitting a nominee under these circumstances, Senator Biden, my friend from Delaware, the man who sat at a desk across the aisle and at the back of this Chamber for more than 35 years, knows what the Senate should do.

    And, I believe, in his heart of hearts, he understands why it must.

    I yield the floor."
    And the days that I keep my gratitude higher than my expectations, well, I have really good days - Ray Wylie Hubbard

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcarter815 View Post
    Are you going to comment on McConnell's hypocrisy or are you just here to troll? Your schtick is boring and that's why I end up ignoring you.
    I thought you guys weren't hypocrites? The hypocrisy is that your bitchng about how the republicans did it yet here you are in 2020 doing the exact same thing.

    Take that sharp schtick and place it directly in your right eye socket.
    Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbecueboy View Post
    I thought you guys weren't hypocrites? The hypocrisy is that your bitchng about how the republicans did it yet here you are in 2020 doing the exact same thing.

    Take that sharp schtick and place it directly in your right eye socket.
    Alright then, back to ignoring.

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    You spelled" running from the truth" wrong.
    Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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    Can you not confirm a qualified competent female Judge to a scotus position? You racist selfish democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajflyboy View Post
    Can you not confirm a qualified competent female Judge to a scotus position? You racist selfish democrats.
    Ronald: Might you explain what happened then in 2016?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcarter815 View Post
    Are you going to comment on McConnell's hypocrisy or are you just here to troll? Your schtick is boring and that's why I end up ignoring you.
    You want the election stolen, a Commie put in the Supreme Court, and the United Stated to fall to Communism. NICE!!!!
    If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!

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