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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbecueboy View Post
    How many times did that actually happen? I've been watching Winston cup grand national racing since the late 60s....I remember a few of those you speak of, but they were few and far between.
    Anytime they show a flashback race there are usually less than a handful of cars on the lead lap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stock car driver View Post
    Anytime they show a flashback race there are usually less than a handful of cars on the lead lap.
    When you raced......didnt you wanna win by several laps, or do you prefer gimmicks to keep the competition close?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbecueboy View Post
    How many times did that actually happen? I've been watching Winston cup grand national racing since the late 60s....I remember a few of those you speak of, but they were few and far between.
    BBQ, it didn't happen nearly as often as some would have you believe.

    Some would also have you believe that every year prior to the RJ Reynolds tobacco co. getting involved (Winston Cup) there were a bunch of seasons consisting of 60 or more Grand National races on the schedule. In reality there was only 1.

    To some people the "modern era" NASCAR racing is all that counts, which is bull$hit! NASCAR is slowly coming to the conclusion that many fans want to see racing like it was back in the '60's & early '70's and this dirt race proves it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZERO25 View Post
    When you raced......didnt you wanna win by several laps, or do you prefer gimmicks to keep the competition close?
    I wanted to have close tough exciting competition, that generally came about because of rules...

    I helped my competitors from day 1 of my racing career so they could be closer and or beat me. It felt great to finish 3rd or 4th and have the only cars in front of me be running my tech and or set up etc....

    I left washington state where I was pavement racing because I was dominating in the class I could afford and moved to Iowa to start over and build a dirt car and race dirt. Guessing Im not the norm.

    I quit racing after the 2015 season and still give tech to guys and get texts about wins on my rearends and or set up help regularly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZERO25 View Post
    When you raced......didnt you wanna win by several laps, or do you prefer gimmicks to keep the competition close?

    I built my first car because a guy had won every race all year in the hobby stock division. trophy dash, heat race, main event about 20 nights... I had just bought a house so I had a garage, I was 23 years old and in the military so making about 1100 a month. I walked the pits some for the last half of the season and felt like I could be the one to break that streak, straight out of the stands. I built a used nova, towed with a tow dolly and finished top 3 my first two races and won the 3rd.

    From that day on I shared what I knew to help everyone. I was already seeing people come in spend tons of money, not have fun and leave in my first year.

    6-7 years later I was in the sportsman class and won every race I finished and would regularly lap to 2nd or 3rd, all that did was hurt car count and have them keep stacking weight on my car....
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    I picked 1970 out and looked at the results.

    Motor Trend 500 - Three cars on the lead lap. Fourth was three laps down.
    Daytona 500 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was one lap down.
    Richmond 500 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was nine laps down.
    Carolina 500 - One car on the lead lap. Second was three laps down.
    Savannah 200 - One car on the lead lap. Second was one lap down.
    Atlanta 500 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was two laps down.
    Southeastern 500 - One car on the lead lap. Second was three laps down.
    Alabama 500 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was one lap down.
    Gwyn Staley 400 - One car on the lead lap. Second was one lap down.
    Columbia 200 - One car on the lead lap. Second was one lap down.
    Rebel 400 - One car on the lead lap. Second was three laps down.
    Beltsville 300 - One car on the lead lap. Second was one lap down.
    Tidewater 300 - One car on the lead lap. Second was two laps down.
    World 600 - One car on the lead lap. Second was two laps down.
    Maryville 200 - One car on the lead lap. Second was one lap down.
    Virginia 500 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was one lap down.
    Motor State 400 - Four cars on the lead lap. Fifth was one lap down.
    Falstaff 400 - One car on the lead lap. Second was one lap down.
    Hickory 276 - One car on the lead lap. Second was two laps down.
    Kingsport 100 - One car on the lead lap. Second was two laps down.
    Greenville 200 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was two laps down.
    Firecracker 400 - Three cars on the lead lap. Fourth was one lap down.
    Albany-Saratoga 250 - One car on the lead lap. Second was one lap down.
    Thompson 200 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was two laps down.
    Schaefer 300 - Three cars on the lead lap. Fourth was two laps down.
    Volunteer 500 - One car on the lead lap. Second was two laps down.
    East Tennessee 200 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was two laps down.
    Nashville 420 - One car on the lead lap. Second was two laps down.
    Dixie 500 - One car on the lead lap. Second was one lap down.
    Sandlapper 200 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was one lap down.
    West Virginia 300 - One car on the lead lap. Second was eight laps down.
    Yankee 400 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was one lap down.
    Talladega 500 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was one lap down.
    Myers Brothers 250 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was three laps down.
    Halifax County 100 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was one lap down.
    Southern 500 - One car on the lead lap. Second was one lap down.
    Buddy Shuman Memorial 276 - Three cars on the lead lap. Fourth was three laps down.
    Capital City 500 - One car on the lead lap. Second was two laps down.
    Mason-Dixon 300 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was one lap down.
    Home State 200 - One car on the lead lap. Second was two laps down.
    Wilkes 400 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was one lap down.
    National 500 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was one lap down.
    Old Dominion 500 - One car on the lead lap. Second was one lap down.
    Georgia 500 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was two laps down.
    American 500 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was three laps down.
    Tidewater 300 - Two cars on the lead lap. Third was one lap down.

    21 out of 48 races had one car on the lead lap.
    12 of those 21 races second was more than one lap down.

    Richard Petty won 18 races.
    Bobby Isaac won 11 races.
    Bobby Allison, Pete Hamilton, Cale Yarborough, and Donnie Allison each won 3 races.
    Charlie Glotzbach won 2 races.
    James Hilton, David Pearson, Buddy Baker, LeeRoy Yarborough, and A.J. Foyt each one 1 race.

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    Interesting......You just happened to pick the year of the super bird dominance.

    And btw...some of the stats you posted.....fake news.

    Or maybe you just typed it wrong.
    Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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    There's probably typos. It was a lot to do by hand. All information is from racing-reference.info. Pick a year.

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    The 1970 sand lapper 200 in Columbia was won by Bobby Isaac over the king .....they were on the same lap.

    Just fact checked that one first because I'm pretty sure I was actually at that race with my dad and knew the king didn't finish a lap down.....but I'm older now and just wanted to be sure I remembered correctly.

    You know there is this thing called Google , right?
    Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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    That wasn't a typo btw...that was just you trying to mislead somebody.

    Whoops.
    Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcarter815 View Post
    There's probably typos. It was a lot to do by hand. All information is from racing-reference.info. Pick a year.
    1984.........
    Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbecueboy View Post
    1984.........
    CIRF was talking about the 60s and early 70s. NASCAR was getting better by 1984.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbecueboy View Post
    The 1970 sand lapper 200 in Columbia was won by Bobby Isaac over the king .....they were on the same lap.

    Just fact checked that one first because I'm pretty sure I was actually at that race with my dad and knew the king didn't finish a lap down.....but I'm older now and just wanted to be sure I remembered correctly.

    You know there is this thing called Google , right?
    I think you misread my post. I wrote two cars on the lead lap. Third was one lap down.

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    Indeed I did.....my apologies.
    Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcarter815 View Post
    CIRF was talking about the 60s and early 70s. NASCAR was getting better by 1984.
    I'm guessing you are in your late 20s/early 30s?
    Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbecueboy View Post
    I'm guessing you are in your late 20s/early 30s?
    Is 1984 now suddenly in the 60s and early 70s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stock car driver View Post
    I built my first car because a guy had won every race all year in the hobby stock division. trophy dash, heat race, main event about 20 nights... I had just bought a house so I had a garage, I was 23 years old and in the military so making about 1100 a month. I walked the pits some for the last half of the season and felt like I could be the one to break that streak, straight out of the stands. I built a used nova, towed with a tow dolly and finished top 3 my first two races and won the 3rd.

    From that day on I shared what I knew to help everyone. I was already seeing people come in spend tons of money, not have fun and leave in my first year.

    6-7 years later I was in the sportsman class and won every race I finished and would regularly lap to 2nd or 3rd, all that did was hurt car count and have them keep stacking weight on my car....
    That should be the goal of every racer.......dominate the class within the rules. Unfortunately, tracks want to penalize racers for building better mouse traps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcarter815 View Post
    There's probably typos. It was a lot to do by hand. All information is from racing-reference.info. Pick a year.
    You said pick a year.........I picked 1984.

    Sux when folks use your own strategy against you doesn't it? You know? Picking a small something out of a sentence and then expounding on it to fit a narrative?
    Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZERO25 View Post
    That should be the goal of every racer.......dominate the class within the rules. Unfortunately, tracks want to penalize racers for building better mouse traps!
    It's the everyone should get a trophy mentality.....Mcnugget lives for it.

    Wonder how many he's gotten?
    Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbecueboy View Post
    It's the everyone should get a trophy mentality.....Mcnugget lives for it.

    Wonder how many he's gotten?
    I wonder does he put Polynesian Sauce on his trophy?

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