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    Default Straight Axle???

    Austin Kirkpatrick just posted a picture of his suspension that just got outlawed on his Facebook..... he was literally running a straight axle like a sprint car. Super late models dying the death of a 1000 cuts keeping out the newcomers. Can't believe the series see the need to band such an old kind of suspension..... and that a straight axle would actually work that well in a late model? crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burke1118 View Post
    Austin Kirkpatrick just posted a picture of his suspension that just got outlawed on his Facebook..... he was literally running a straight axle like a sprint car. Super late models dying the death of a 1000 cuts keeping out the newcomers. Can't believe the series see the need to band such an old kind of suspension..... and that a straight axle would actually work that well in a late model? crazy
    Why you think it was called a model T? 1908 technology

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    Big block mods still use a straight axle. Probably going for that kinda vibe with his design
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    Cj rayburn told me twenty years ago that he wanted to build a car with a straight axle but they would never allow it

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    I did a quick google fu, only IMCA directly states the type of allowed front ends either A-Arm or Strut, can't find anything on Lucas or WRG. The only thing that I question is with both a Sprint or a Northeast Mod, the engine setback is so far that its an easy shot across. I just can't see that working in a Late Model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slideiton View Post
    I did a quick google fu, only IMCA directly states the type of allowed front ends either A-Arm or Strut, can't find anything on Lucas or WRG. The only thing that I question is with both a Sprint or a Northeast Mod, the engine setback is so far that its an easy shot across. I just can't see that working in a Late Model.
    A straight axle with a modern four link design would be a bound up complicated mess. The northeast has been developing their own brand of four link that the SDS made illegal because they didn’t want racers going down that rabbit hole. They’re not allowed to use independent front ends at all in either of the major modified sanctions.

    Fun fact about independent front ends being illegal: They were perfectly legal from the first northeastern modified ever until I think 1989 when the SDS had the DIRT/Asphalt Challenge. Once they started on tar, they made independent front ends illegal, thinking it would prevent teams from building tar specific cars. It didn’t stop teams from building tar specific cars in any ways, shape, or form. The pit area was full of asphalt specific “dirt” modifieds by race 4. The series only lasted 3 or 4 years, and nobody ever bothered to change the rule back to whatever front you wanted. In hindsight, it was probably smart, as modified technology has remained pretty stable for the last 30ish years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slideiton View Post
    I did a quick google fu, only IMCA directly states the type of allowed front ends either A-Arm or Strut, can't find anything on Lucas or WRG. The only thing that I question is with both a Sprint or a Northeast Mod, the engine setback is so far that its an easy shot across. I just can't see that working in a Late Model.
    I guess you missed the 11 car put it on Overton at Cherokee?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
    I guess you missed the 11 car put it on Overton at Cherokee?
    Other than that and the night before when he started pretty deep in the race and finish like second or third he really hasn't done much when he races I don't think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeedforLMspeed View Post
    Other than that and the night before when he started pretty deep in the race and finish like second or third he really hasn't done much when he races I don't think?
    Set the world on fire in some practice runs and qualifying, but no, hasn't raced particularly well.
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    The camera dude mustve known there was something worth looking at the world finals when Austin pulled up to the hot pit. Makes ya wonder who didn't like what they saw and how they thought it was an advantage?

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    Charley Swartz once said in a magazine article " People accuse me of being crazy and say that I'll drive anything just because I was racing that sprint car that had the iron front front axle welded together in the middle where it had snapped in half". Of course there might have been a little crazyness involved when he was racing the famous mid engine designed Pontiac Fiero late model. It didn't seem to bother him that he would be the first one to be at scene of an accident with that design !

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    I can’t find a Facebook page for Austin Kirkpatrick I hope dirt late model does not develop TOO MANY rules. Let the builders build.

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    which series outlawed the straight axle?

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    I think he's a member here by the name of "Nobody"? Maybe he can enlighten y'all a little bit on the situation
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    Quote Originally Posted by zyoung25 View Post
    The camera dude mustve known there was something worth looking at the world finals when Austin pulled up to the hot pit. Makes ya wonder who didn't like what they saw and how they thought it was an advantage?
    I’d go with this one, usually what happens. It’s all good in the hood till the wrong person sees it.

    Or it was some kinda rabbit hole they didn’t want people going down.
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    People with weight to throw around don't even want a very small risk to their kingdom.
    Droop isn't the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
    People with weight to throw around don't even want a very small risk to their kingdom.
    I think this is it👍 I’m very impressed that someone can build their own chassis and go race. I’m sure the powers to be feel threatened by that.

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    Super LM is actually a spec class now. The sanctions just don't know what rules need written until someone tells them.
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    For those without bookface———————Well it appears that after 30 years of super dirt late models having zero front suspension rules, there is now considered a need for them. The irony of the situation is that these rule additions were lobbied for under the guise of “keeping costs down” and “keeping technology from getting out of hand”. The result keeps the lowest budget team in the pits with the oldest, simplest, and cheapest type of front suspension known to man from being allowed to race. Since there’s no need to keep this a secret anymore, feast your eyes on the “revolutionary” front suspension (aka, a straight axle) currently installed on the car we have been running this year. AK3.0 was a fun and rewarding project that I am very proud of but sad to see banned before it could reach its full potential. Luckily momma didn’t raise no quitter.. we break ground on 4.0 this weekend.

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    That's one interesting pc.

    Personally I am glad they put a stop to it. Rules are made for some to work around the rule book. I applaud the ingenuity to come up with it.

    Costs are out of hand as it is. You bring this new pc into the mix and you just made brand new cars obsolete

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