The Silence is Deafing

**anthonycacace** · 01-07-2021, 10:52 AM

So, I guess I'll ask it ...

All those who support Trump and believe, without hard evidence, the outcome from the 2020 US Presidential election was fraudulent; are you cool with the insurrection and sedition that took place at the US Capitol yesterday?

And, before you say, "Those people are Patriots not criminals," by US Code, the actions taken yesterday run afoul of Federal statute:

(Rebellion or Insurrection) 18 USC 2383 - Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof,

(Seditious Conspiracy) 18 USC 2384 - If two or more persons ...conspire... by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States.

Sources:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

**klemmabyna** · 01-07-2021, 11:04 AM

welcome to the abyss. if you are looking for a reasonable discussion you have come to the wrong place. instead you opened yourself up to name calling, personal attacks, and trolling.

might i add the following link to what donald trump was guilty of yesterday:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/t...elief%2C%20not

**anthonycacace** · 01-07-2021, 11:16 AM

Thx for the disclaimer. I've been around these parts long enough though, I know when the crazy gets to be too much and have been threatened with physical violence more than once (over an opinion smh!). So, I just put it down and come back another day to try and understand another's mindset and where/how their beliefs formed.

Giuliani, and likely Trump, also committed a crime under 18 USC 2383 through inciting violence against the government.

**50j** · 01-07-2021, 11:30 AM

Totally staged. Lack of security, people formerly documented participating in blm and antifa protests leading it. Proven, catch up.

**anthonycacace** · 01-07-2021, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by 50j

Totally staged. Lack of security, blm and antifa members leading it. Proven, catch up.

Ok, but you:

A) Failed answer the question;
B) Have no source to support the opinion given; and
C) Deflected/Used Whataboutism.

Regardless of it was staged or true Trump supporters (which the guy in the Pelosi desk picture is known to be - https://www.abc27.com/news/man-photo...ump-supporter/) was this act appropriate?

**50j** · 01-07-2021, 11:39 AM

Do your own research. You might learn something.

**50j** · 01-07-2021, 11:39 AM

No, not appropriate.

**anthonycacace** · 01-07-2021, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by 50j

Do your own research. You might learn something.

I did; the result of which lead to a rating of MOSTLY FALSE on the truth meter for the insurrection being staged by Antifa agitators. (See pic post above).

And thx for the answer.

So, now is it time to work as a United States again?

**Josh Bayko** · 01-07-2021, 11:48 AM

It�s deafening, not deafing. Deafing is not a word.

**anthonycacace** · 01-07-2021, 11:54 AM

It�s deafening, not deafing. Deafing is not a word.

Thx for reminding me I'm an imperfect being. Cannot fix it, dang!

**klemmabyna** · 01-07-2021, 12:03 PM

gotta love the spellcheckers. at least your question was answered.

oh wait.... my mistake.

**Barbecueboy** · 01-07-2021, 12:20 PM

The 4m people you're talking to and asking questions weren't there breaking windows.....none of us approve of what happened yesterday guys, but you all know that already.

" mostly false", lol......which parts? Or do you not know?

**Barbecueboy** · 01-07-2021, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by anthonycacace

Ok, but you:

A) Failed answer the question;
B) Have no source to support the opinion given; and
C) Deflected/Used Whataboutism.

Regardless of it was staged or true Trump supporters (which the guy in the Pelosi desk picture is known to be - https://www.abc27.com/news/man-photo...ump-supporter/) was this act appropriate?

No more appropriate than the known antifa members having pallets of bricks delivered to neighborhoods ahead of their rioting and agitating in the name of peace........and free tvs.

Can't be appalled at one and not the other.......sorry man, doesn't work that way.

**Josh Bayko** · 01-07-2021, 12:24 PM

There was some election fraud for sure, but not anywhere near enough to sway the results of election.

The chance that Trump ends up in jail is minimal. He�s out of office, that was the only goal for any of this stuff from the jump. The circus an actual trial would cause would pale in comparison to what happened yesterday. Plus, he�s a billionaire. There are no rules for billionaires.

The kicker to all of this hullabaloo is that in reality, outside of the bluster of social media and the sh*tshow of American news media, Biden�s policies won�t be drastically different from Trump�s. Trump was never far right, as he�s been painted in popular circles, and Biden�s never been far left, as he�s been described in other popular circles. Both men are extremely moderate as far as their actual politics.

The sky isn�t falling. The sky wasn�t falling four years ago. It wasn�t falling four years before that, etc...

**Barbecueboy** · 01-07-2021, 12:27 PM

Early entry for common sense post of the year ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Nice

**lurker** · 01-07-2021, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by anthonycacace

So, I guess I'll ask it ...

I�ll bite, and in order as you presented ---

1. To most degrees, I tend to support the setting President no matter who it is at the time. That is what we are suppose to do, right? Understanding, I did not agree with every policy or political agenda, Trump, Obama, Bush II or Bush I. And most notably, I am very distrusting of our Government as a whole no matter the setting President.

2. Yes, I believe we had some slight forms of fraud in the popular vote, in this past election. States that changed early voting procedures are to be said illegal in the manner they did so. Just from what I�ve read. Weird indifferences from past mail-in ballot elections too. Again, from what I�ve read. The EC votes weeded this out IMO, so it�s a mute point.

3. No, I am not cool with the insurrection yesterday. I think the vast majority were peaceful protesters, with a very small minority being of the �over throw� mindset, with those being very-very-well orchestrated. The planning and preparation didn�t just come on a whim. Reminiscent of what one would see in a movie, IMHO. Bottom line, Trump went too far to fire up his base.

4. Speaking as one who feels like I am very Center based when it comes to politics and political beliefs, I too try to understand another�s mindset, beliefs, and formation. Which is very hard to do at times, here, or in the day-to-day first person contact life we live. I don�t get the far-Right wingers, nor do I get the far-Left wingers --- and I really don�t get the Socialist mindset of say, an AOC.

Not noted: the media�s coverage of one bad act Vs another bad act is appalling and very hypocritical.

Lastly, IMHO, I think what we saw yesterday is just the tip of the iceberg for times to come. Riots, looting, anarchy, burning buildings, Portland and other major cities --- then to Michigan militia and Whitmer, this is just the beginning of the New Normal. And it will get a lot worse from here.

**50j** · 01-07-2021, 12:53 PM

If you listen to what President Trump actually said he called for peace and appealed to people to calm down and go home. He believes in protecting our nation's monuments and buildings. No conservative I know approves of vandalism and we think it's for punks. We do remember all the destruction and chaos in 2020 and who was behind it. We remember which party wouldn't condemn it until it became apparent that even a lot of libs didn't like it. We remember. The silence was deafening...