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[Raceready]

Don't forget he's taking the big check back to Illinois with him as well.

Darn tootin ! ! $150k for the Champeenship, Another 25k bonus, + what the young man made from the races. His banker will be happy with him tomorrow ! !

[kidrock]

Yeah but like you said, it was all pre-planned. Too bad he didn't really earn any of it. L

Maybe next year he will earn it lol............................................... ................

[kidrock]

Darn tootin ! ! $150k for the Champeenship, Another 25k bonus, + what the young man made from the races. His banker will be happy with him tomorrow ! !

Yes he had a decent year at the pay window this year that's for sure.

[Raceready]

Yeah but like you said, it was all pre-planned. Too bad he didn't really earn any of it. L

If,n that there was accurate, one would surmise that Chris Madden would be a crying up a storm if what some say about him is true ? ?

[Raceready]

Yes he had a decent year at the pay window this year that's for sure.

He surley did when he was on that long streak that if he didn't win he at least earned 2nd ! !

[Jim11h]

All that money at end and still didn't cover motor bill for season......anyone wonder where the problems are at?

[TS FAN]

I am out of touch as far as costs to run a season motor wise especially. Wondering how much it costs
these days. Pierce and Ricky won over a million, much profit there?

[billetbirdcage]

I am out of touch as far as costs to run a season motor wise especially. Wondering how much it costs
these days. Pierce and Ricky won over a million, much profit there?

A new Clemens is 55K and a freshen after 1200 laps with no breakage is 15k'ish

2 years ago a Clemens was 46K (late 2021), freshening likely may have increased also. My freshen number was from early 2022

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

A new Clemens is 55K and a freshen after 1200 laps with no breakage is 15k'ish

2 years ago a Clemens was 46K (late 2021), freshening likely may have increased also. My freshen number was from early 2022

So buying and 2 rebuild cycles is only $35/lap. What a deal.

[TS FAN]

A new Clemens is 55K and a freshen after 1200 laps with no breakage is 15k'ish

2 years ago a Clemens was 46K (late 2021), freshening likely may have increased also. My freshen number was from early 2022

So Does that come to about 3 motors a year along with freshening About 125 k for a full tour

[billetbirdcage]

So Does that come to about 3 motors a year along with freshening About 125 k for a full tour

Every team is gonna be different on how many complete spare cars they have and extra engines. Take lucas oil for example: their lap count varies a ton per event with features as short as 25 lap prelims to 100 lap features. It does seem the average is closer to 50 lap A mains but without counting every event up total laps is hard to say for a single year.

But taking an average of 50 lap A, 10 laps Heat, 2 laps qualifying, and 3 hot laps that 65 laps a night if you don't have to ever run a B main. So your gonna get around 18 to 19 shows if you stop at the 1200 laps Clemens tell you.

The 2023 had 70 scheduled races so if my average laps per race is close that's 4550 laps

So you either need minimum 3 fresh motors at the start of the season and push over the 1200 laps on each or rotate out motors and freshen them as you go. So the cheapest you are going do it is to all ready have the motors and spend 15K 3 times to get motors back to where they was when you started.

[EvelB7]

Let's not forget these teams are now testing more than ever. So you can probably add at least one rebuild in for the amount of test time they do....

[billetbirdcage]

Also keep in mind that just the engine builders bill on engines. Lets say guys run 400 laps on oil so only 3 oil changes per engine before freshening. Oil is 250.00 or more depending on what your using so that's another 750.00 in engine costs. Then a Clemens needs valve springs at 600 laps (it gets new ones at freshen) so that's another 800.00 if you do it yourself. So:

1200 laps = 15K freshen + 750 oil changes + 800 valve springs = 16,550.00 / 1200 laps = 13.79 a lap

[billetbirdcage]

Let's not forget these teams are now testing more than ever. So you can probably add at least one rebuild in for the amount of test time they do....

For sure, I'm being very generous with how little it could cost to run a tour. Did I just say how little super engines can cost, LOL

[TS FAN]

Thanks for the info

[jog49]

A new Clemens is 55K and a freshen after 1200 laps with no breakage is 15k'ish

2 years ago a Clemens was 46K (late 2021), freshening likely may have increased also. My freshen number was from early 2022

So what hasn't gone up? A loaf of bread now id $3.79! Thank you Joe Biden & the Socialist Democrats!