Finally, some common sense!

[ss12]

I'm curious, nothing more, and I do not seek to go into any deep or contentious conversation.

ss, do you honestly believe that our President does not have the best interests, both medical and economic welfare, of the people as his prime objective in regards to this China virus problem? Do you believe our President is doing nothing more than going through the motions without regard for the population?

I see you have been listen to Trump. Now the coronavirus is the "china virus". Trump's hunch that the virus wasn't that serve, Well that didn't work out accurate. It a democrat hoax, that wasn't accurate. The media was making more of this than it really is. That has proven wrong. I'm limited because of Obama's regulations, Trump's expert Dr. Fauci indicated that was not accurate.
So we still need to place blame on someone else so lets blame China. Trump has known about the coronavirus since January. Trump takes no responsibility when situations that he helped create are bad, will blame everybody else for his failures. But is 1st to take responsibility when things are good.

Obama created agencies to deal with this type of situations after the failures of his administration on H1N1 and ebola. Obama recognize as a nation we were not prepared for a pandemic and need a agency to deal with one. This is the agency Trump shut down in 2018. I'm sure Trump had a "hunch" that since it was Obama ideal that it wasn't needed.

Trump knew weeks ago that his policies on how he was dealing with this pandemic has been a complete failure. So he needed a fall guy and turned it over to V.P.Pence. Pence and his experts took charge and started getting things done even while the Stable genius would contradict what they were saying. While the stable genius was contradicting his experts this put doubt and fear in the US population. This negative behavior created a hysteria like never seen before. Look at the stock market how much it has dropped because of this hysteria. V.P. Pence has been getting good reviews on press conference on the coronavirus. In the last few days now that Pence is getting good reviews who wants to step in and start leading the press conference? You guess it the stable genius. What would of happen if Pence would of gotten negative reviews in how the federal government was handling this? Well Trump had a fall guy, Pence. Everybody in the stable genius administration are disposable. Trump only cares about himself 1st everybody including the US population is 2nd to him. He is the king everybody else is disposable.

Where is the stable genius puppeteers at? Looks like his failure on how he as handled this pandemic they are distancing themselves from him.

The majority thing the stable genius has done has been a failure. His presidency has been no different.

[lurker]

Debunking Every Major Media and Democrat Coronavirus Lie

Debunking Every Major Media and Democrat Coronavirus Lie
By Dan O'Donnell
Mar 18, 2020

As President Trump's Administration has worked to slow the spread of Coronavirus, its efforts have been hampered by the spread of misinformation and outright lies by the President's political and media enemies, who just can't seem to help themselves.

The lie that is most often repeated is that President Trump called the virus itself a "hoax." Pundits and politicians alike--from Lawrence O'Donnell to Stephen Colbert to Hillary Clinton, Congressman Tim Ryan, and Senator Sherrod Brown (among countless others)--have spread it so easily that it's almost impossible to remember what Trump actually said.

On February 28th, at a rally in Charleston, South Carolina, the President actually told his audience that unfair media and Democrat criticism of his Administration's handling of Coronavirus was "their new hoax."

Not the virus itself. The weaponization of it. In fact, the President's full quote indicates that he was taking the threat of Coronavirus very seriously, even going so far as to say that "we are totally prepared" for its spread:

One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.” That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax. But we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We have 15 people in this massive country and because of the fact that we went early. We went early, we could have had a lot more than that. We’re doing great. Our country is doing so great. We are so unified. We are so unified. The Republican party has never ever been unified like it is now. There has never been a movement in the history of our country like we have now. Never been a movement. So a statistic that we want to talk about, go ahead. Say USA. It’s okay. USA. So a number that nobody heard of, that I heard of recently and I was shocked to hear it, 35,000 people on average die each year from the flu. Did anyone know that? 35,000, that’s a lot of people. It could go to 100,000, it could be 27,000. They say usually a minimum of 27, goes up to 100,000 people a year die. And so far we have lost nobody to coronavirus in the United States. Nobody. And it doesn’t mean we won’t and we are totally prepared. It doesn’t mean we won’t, but think of it. You hear 35 and 40,000 people and we’ve lost nobody and you wonder the press is in hysteria mode.

Almost immediately, fact-checking organizations debunked efforts to claim that Trump was calling the virus a hoax or downplaying its potential to spread. On February 29th, Check Your Fact noted that Trump "did not refer to the coronavirus itself as a hoax....In fact, he refers to the respiratory virus as a 'public health threat' and reiterates 'we have to take it very, very seriously. That’s what we’re doing. We are preparing for the worst.'"

The day after that, during an interview with then-presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg, who asserted that Trump had called the virus a hoax, CBS News anchor Scott Pelley said "[Trump] said that the Democrats making so much of it is a Democratic hoax, not that the virus was a hoax."

According to FactCheck.org, "Trump said that when he used the word 'hoax,' he was referring to Democrats finding fault with his administration’s response to coronavirus, not the virus itself. Even after Trump explained his remarks, some Democrats…continued to wrongly accuse him."

The Washington Post gave Democrats' claim four Pinnochios, noting that "the full quote shows Trump is criticizing Democratic talking points and the media’s coverage of his administration’s response to coronavirus. He never says that the virus itself is a hoax[.]"

Even the left-wing news site Slate had to admit that Trump "was saying the hoax is that he's handled it badly. Not the virus itself."

To further this false narrative that President Trump has endangered Americans by downplaying the severity of a virus whose spread caught him unprepared, Democrats have repeatedly asserted that he cut funding for both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and National Institutes of Health (NIH).

“We increased the budget of the CDC," Biden said of the Obama Administration in which he served. "We increased the NIH budget....[Trump] wiped all that out....He cut the funding for the entire effort.”

"There’s nobody here to figure out what the hell we should be doing," Bloomberg added during a primary debate last month. "And he’s defunded — he’s defunded Centers for Disease Control, CDC, so we don’t have the organization we need. This is a very serious thing."

Only the President did no such thing. Funding for both the CDC and NIH have actually increased during his presidency. According to the Associated Press, "Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress, where there’s strong bipartisan support for agencies such as the CDC and NIH. Instead, financing has increased."

A related lie--that President Trump closed the office responsible for pandemic response--circulated just as quickly and perniciously and was just as false. Tim Morrison, who ran the National Security Council's center for counterproliferation and biodefense, wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post entitled "No, the White House didn't 'dissolve' its pandemic response office. I was there."

"It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, 'dissolved the office' at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness," he wrote. "Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.

"It is true that the Trump administration has seen fit to shrink the NSC staff. But the bloat that occurred under the previous administration clearly needed a correction. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, congressional oversight committees and members of the Obama administration itself all agreed the NSC was too large and too operationally focused (a departure from its traditional role coordinating executive branch activity). As The Post reported in 2015, from the Clinton administration to the Obama administration’s second term, the NSC’s staff “had quadrupled in size, to nearly 400 people.” That is why Trump began streamlining the NSC staff in 2017."

[lurker]

Part II Debunking Every Major Media and Democrat Coronavirus Lie

Streamlining, obviously, is not closing and the claim that Trump did close the office was thoroughly debunked...by the man who ran the office.

Amazingly, lies like that have been allowed to spread with little to no pushback. As with his claim about CDC and NIH funding, Biden similarly led the charge in spreading the verifiably false claim that the CDC under the Trump Administration rejected an offer to purchase Coronavirus test kits from the World Health Organization (WHO). This lie was repeated ad nauseum until Politfact discovered that the WHO never actually offered those kits to the CDC in the first place.

"No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States," Politifact quoted WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris as saying. "This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity."

In other words, the testing lie ignores the manner in which the WHO develops virus testing. As Poltifact explained:

According to interviews with several infectious disease experts, Biden’s statement leaves out key context regarding how different countries decided on which test they’d use to identify the presence of the coronavirus.

WHO lists seven different approaches — including that of China, the United States, Japan, Hong Kong, Thailand, France and Germany — each one targeting different parts of the COVID-19 genetic profile.

Christopher Mores, a global health professor at George Washington University, said that when faced with an outbreak, the WHO will usually adopt the best test that a research group brings forward.
The German one became the approach WHO circulated as its preferred model.

Aid groups, such as the Pan American Health Organization, took that model and built their training and supplies around it. If the model was like the recipe in a cookbook, the supplies were the ingredients in a home meal kit from Blue Apron.

Any country could use whatever recipe it preferred, and even if the United States had picked the WHO’s protocol, it wouldn’t need the WHO to sell it the materials to follow it. Germany released its protocol on Jan. 17, but the U.S. decided to have the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention develop its own. That protocol was published Jan. 28.

"Our quality analysis runs through the FDA," explained Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House's Coronavirus response coordinator. "All of these platforms we have asked people to submit and we’ve asked states to quality control. I mean, anybody could submit their test to us. We don’t buy tests that haven’t been quality controlled and they show us the data. Either show us the data upfront or show us the data after they’ve been running them because quality testing for our American people is paramount to us. It doesn’t help to put out a test where 50% or 47% are false positive.

"Imagine what that would mean to the American people. Imagine their level of concern now and telling people that they’re false positive. We take this same approach to HIV. Imagine telling someone they were positive to HIV and they weren’t. That is our bottom line, the customer, the American people first. Any of these groups can submit their testing kits through our regulatory processes, but without that and without a plan, we are not going to accept tests that have not been studied by us."

"When I became involved in the testing world, I called as senior officials at the WHO as I could find to understand what the situation was," another member of the Coronavirus Response Team added. "As far as I can tell from sources that should know, no one ever offered a test that we refused."

Naturally, this reassurance has mattered little, as the myth of rejected test kits has spread almost as quickly as the virus itself.

So too has the myth that President Trump left states on their own to purchase ventilators for seriously ill patients.

With the ominous headline "Trump to Governors on Ventilators: ‘Try Getting It Yourselves,’" The New York Times dishonestly reported on a phone call the President made to assorted state governors. Even though The Times embedded the actual audio in which Trump said that the federal government would of course back the states, it created the impression that Trump was abandoning them.

Naturally, dozens of other news outlets and reporters repeated the false assertion.

In creating the false impression that Trump had abandoned the states as they desperately tried to find badly needed equipment, these outlets and reporters ignored the President's actual quote.

"We are backing you in terms of equipment and getting what you need," he told the governors. "Also, though, respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment--try getting it yourselves. We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sale, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourselves."

The abandonment narrative, in other words, was a lie...and an apparently deliberate one.

"Yesterday I gave the governors the right to go order directly if they want, if they feel they can do it faster than going through the federal government," President Trump said. "No we've knocked out all of the bureaucracy, it's very direct, but it's still always faster to order directly. That was totally misinterpreted by The New York Times on purpose unfortunately."

Given the repeated, widespread, and consistent misinformation regarding the Trump Administration's Coronavirus response from The Times, other hostile media outlets, and the Democrats who have repeatedly spread rumors, half-truths, and outright lies, it certainly does seem as though it is being done on purpose, but as always, the best remedy for this is the truth.

[lurker]

One key point - one of many

This is the agency Trump shut down in 2018.

Only the President did no such thing. Funding for both the CDC and NIH have actually increased during his presidency. According to the Associated Press, "Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress, where there’s strong bipartisan support for agencies such as the CDC and NIH. Instead, financing has increased."

[mcarter815]

lurker, your quote says that Trump wanted to cut the CDC's funding but Congress stopped him.

Only the President did no such thing. Funding for both the CDC and NIH have actually increased during his presidency. According to the Associated Press, "Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress, where there’s strong bipartisan support for agencies such as the CDC and NIH. Instead, financing has increased."

[lurker]

Debunking Every Major Media and Democrat Coronavirus Lie - https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/feat...ronavirus-lie/

[dirtMAN007]

lurker, your quote says that trump wanted to cut the cdc's funding but congress stopped him.

and your point is ????????

[mcarter815]

and your point is ????????

It's a good thing Congress didn't let him.

[Clayton_Wetters]

I see you have been listen to Trump. Now the coronavirus is the "china virus". Trump's hunch that the virus wasn't that serve, Well that didn't work out accurate. It a democrat hoax, that wasn't accurate. The media was making more of this than it really is. That has proven wrong. I'm limited because of Obama's regulations, Trump's expert Dr. Fauci indicated that was not accurate.
So we still need to place blame on someone else so lets blame China. Trump has known about the coronavirus since January. Trump takes no responsibility when situations that he helped create are bad, will blame everybody else for his failures. But is 1st to take responsibility when things are good.

Obama created agencies to deal with this type of situations after the failures of his administration on H1N1 and ebola. Obama recognize as a nation we were not prepared for a pandemic and need a agency to deal with one. This is the agency Trump shut down in 2018. I'm sure Trump had a "hunch" that since it was Obama ideal that it wasn't needed.

Trump knew weeks ago that his policies on how he was dealing with this pandemic has been a complete failure. So he needed a fall guy and turned it over to V.P.Pence. Pence and his experts took charge and started getting things done even while the Stable genius would contradict what they were saying. While the stable genius was contradicting his experts this put doubt and fear in the US population. This negative behavior created a hysteria like never seen before. Look at the stock market how much it has dropped because of this hysteria. V.P. Pence has been getting good reviews on press conference on the coronavirus. In the last few days now that Pence is getting good reviews who wants to step in and start leading the press conference? You guess it the stable genius. What would of happen if Pence would of gotten negative reviews in how the federal government was handling this? Well Trump had a fall guy, Pence. Everybody in the stable genius administration are disposable. Trump only cares about himself 1st everybody including the US population is 2nd to him. He is the king everybody else is disposable.

Where is the stable genius puppeteers at? Looks like his failure on how he as handled this pandemic they are distancing themselves from him.

The majority thing the stable genius has done has been a failure. His presidency has been no different.

You're just way too far gone ss.

[dirtMAN007]

It's a good thing Congress didn't let him.

if he really wanted to cut the funding he would have found a way .......................kinda like the obamessiah
used to !!!! nod nod ewink wink !!!!!!

[mcarter815]

if he really wanted to cut the funding he would have found a way .......................kinda like the obamessiah
used to !!!! nod nod ewink wink !!!!!!

Why would he put CDC cuts in the budget proposals if he didn't really want them?

[CIRF]

I see you have been listen to Trump. Now the coronavirus is the "china virus". Trump's hunch that the virus wasn't that serve, Well that didn't work out accurate. It a democrat hoax, that wasn't accurate. The media was making more of this than it really is. That has proven wrong. I'm limited because of Obama's regulations, Trump's expert Dr. Fauci indicated that was not accurate.
So we still need to place blame on someone else so lets blame China. Trump has known about the coronavirus since January. Trump takes no responsibility when situations that he helped create are bad, will blame everybody else for his failures. But is 1st to take responsibility when things are good.

Obama created agencies to deal with this type of situations after the failures of his administration on H1N1 and ebola. Obama recognize as a nation we were not prepared for a pandemic and need a agency to deal with one. This is the agency Trump shut down in 2018. I'm sure Trump had a "hunch" that since it was Obama ideal that it wasn't needed.

Trump knew weeks ago that his policies on how he was dealing with this pandemic has been a complete failure. So he needed a fall guy and turned it over to V.P.Pence. Pence and his experts took charge and started getting things done even while the Stable genius would contradict what they were saying. While the stable genius was contradicting his experts this put doubt and fear in the US population. This negative behavior created a hysteria like never seen before. Look at the stock market how much it has dropped because of this hysteria. V.P. Pence has been getting good reviews on press conference on the coronavirus. In the last few days now that Pence is getting good reviews who wants to step in and start leading the press conference? You guess it the stable genius. What would of happen if Pence would of gotten negative reviews in how the federal government was handling this? Well Trump had a fall guy, Pence. Everybody in the stable genius administration are disposable. Trump only cares about himself 1st everybody including the US population is 2nd to him. He is the king everybody else is disposable.

Where is the stable genius puppeteers at? Looks like his failure on how he as handled this pandemic they are distancing themselves from him.

The majority thing the stable genius has done has been a failure. His presidency has been no different.

Nope, didn't listen to our President. Don't know anything about what you're talking about. There are a half dozen people who will admit to having heard me refer to this virus as "China" virus since back in January. It started in China and it came from China thus it's the China virus. That isn't xenophobic, racist or any other kind of "ist" or "ism", it's a proper description.

So, from the tone of hatred and loathing of our President, I take it that you firmly believe that our (yours, mine and everyone's) President is indifferent and unconcerned for all American's who will die, or be permanently affected, by this virus. Is it safe to say your opinion of our President is that he doesn't care if this thing ever is brought under control, he's an uncaring monster.

Okay, fair enough. At least you own your hatred and loathing. Lotta' people hate and loathe but most try to disguise it with double talk and BS. There is something to be said for honesty.

I am, however, curious as to the meaning and purpose of the repeated use of the moniker "stable genius". I'm confident it's some sort of put-down but not totally sure who it's directed towards. I often refer to the 44th POTUS as hussein but that is actually his given Christian name. LOL!

[dirtMAN007]

Nope, didn't listen to our President. Don't know anything about what you're talking about. There are a half dozen people who will admit to having heard me refer to this virus as "China" virus since back in January. It started in China and it came from China thus it's the China virus. That isn't xenophobic, racist or any other kind of "ist" or "ism", it's a proper description.

So, from the tone of hatred and loathing of our President, I take it that you firmly believe that our (yours, mine and everyone's) President is indifferent and unconcerned for all American's who will die, or be permanently affected, by this virus. Is it safe to say your opinion of our President is that he doesn't care if this thing ever is brought under control, he's an uncaring monster.

Okay, fair enough. At least you own your hatred and loathing. Lotta' people hate and loathe but most try to disguise it with double talk and BS. There is something to be said for honesty.

I am, however, curious as to the meaning and purpose of the repeated use of the moniker "stable genius". I'm confident it's some sort of put-down but not totally sure who it's directed towards. I often refer to the 44th POTUS as hussein but that is actually his given Christian name. LOL!

i like to call him the former HNIC !

[Barbecueboy]

You're just way too far gone ss.

Just look for that union label......

[Barbecueboy]

Why would he put CDC cuts in the budget proposals if he didn't really want them?

You've never written a budget for anything outside the household have you?

[Barbecueboy]

I have finally come to the collusion that you are mentally challenged. I have listen to Trumps team and I'm listening and I'm doing what they are advising so, no problem with comprehending. Here's the part where you are mentally challenged. I don't have anyway of watching CNN, MSNBC, FOX, or any other cable news which I have told you many times before so, not sure where Don Lemon comes into play here but, I'm guessing someone you watch or how would you know what he says. Next time you get on the short bus don't forget your helmet. THE END. LOL


Oh by the way.....here is your post where you say you haven't got any way to watch CNN , msnbc or fox......guess you forgot about it already.

The search function didn't.....and it's in this very thread for what it's worth.

[Barbecueboy]

Next time you give advice on wearing helmets.....you should probably have yours on Krock.

[ss12]

One key point - one of many

Legum outlined a series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years that had gutted the nation’s infectious disease defense infrastructure. The “pandemic response team” firing claim referred to news accounts from Spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted.

Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been fired one month prior.

It’s thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time.

Legum stated in a follow-up tweet that “Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. Among the countries abandoned? China.” That was partly true, according to 2018 news reports stating that funding for the CDC’s global disease outbreak prevention efforts had been reduced by 80%, including funding for the agency’s efforts in China.

But that was the result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration. But that was the result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration. And as the CDC told FactCheck.org, the cuts were ultimately avoided because Congress provided other funding.

On Feb. 24, 2020, the Trump administration requested $2.5 billion to address the coronavirus outbreak, an outlay critics asserted might not have been necessary if the previous program cuts had not taken place. Fortune reported of the issue that:

The cuts could be especially problematic as COVID-19 continues to spread. Health officials are now warning the U.S. is unlikely to be spared, even though cases are minimal here so far.

“It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen in this country any more but a question of when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a press call [on Feb. 25].

[ss12]

Debunking Every Major Media and Democrat Coronavirus Lie - https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/feat...ronavirus-lie/

Lurker if the coronavirus is such a big lie by the media and the democrats. Why is the stable genius finally after several months going through extremes majors to combat this virus?

[lurker]

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All of that, and your driveling diatribe is still debunked.

I’ve never said COVID-19 itself is a lie. Only the Leftwing fear mongering surrounding the Liberal biased media is untruthful, deceptive, and misleading. Liberal biased media is simply fear mongering.

Again, you HATE Trump no matter the cost, I get it.