Doug Bland was interviewed by Rigsby several years back for DoD. They discussed tires a ton, obviously... According to Bland, he made a proposal to Hoosier to cut down on the different tire compounds being used in different parts of the country and have a universal tire rule. Hoosier didn't want that, so he took the proposal to Goodyear. I'm not saying Hoosier is the whole problem, but they are definitely part of it.
Bland had some good ideas, and I feel like this was one of them.
410 winged sprint cars run two compounds of Hoosiers from coast to coast at all the tracks. I don’t see why it would be an issue to do the same in late models.
having different versions of the same tire based on region would absolutely defeat the purpose of a universal tire rule
It really wouldn’t. The ties would be legal everywhere regardless of whoever sold the tire to the racer in question. If you bought it in UMP country and wanted to run it in Georgia it would be legal and vice versa. The only difference would be which supplier gets the spiff.
"It really wouldn’t. The ties would be legal everywhere regardless of whoever sold the tire to the racer in question. If you bought it in UMP country and wanted to run it in Georgia it would be legal and vice versa. The only difference would be which supplier gets the spiff."
Why even mark them different then? The supplier already knows who they sell tires to and how many they sell.
They can make a tire that doesnt drop off each cycle...
The IMCA G60 tire today is junk and is best new period. BUT when Hoosier first took over from American Racer years ago, the tires worked great multiple nights in a row. NOW the american racer works multiple nights and it did not when they were the IMCA tire.
The non stamped g60 hoosier makes also works great even after a few heat cycles.
Come on Bayko you're smarter than that. Do you actually thing UMP/WRG is going to let you run a tire they didn't get their $$$ for? Again if we have a universal accepted rule there isn't a need for region specific marked tires.
The plan is for Hoosier to produce only 3 compounds for Super Late Models. Not to be called any current incarnation. Likely Soft, Medium and Hard. They had intended to begin in Aug with a RR tire but the timeline has been pushed a bit later as they navigate production.
It is basic economics to know that the fewer part numbers produced the more profit available. Fewer part numbers equals less needed "ingredients" and the ability to purchase more of the needed ingredients at a cheaper rate in bulk. There are reduced downtimes for retooling / reformulating and therefore increased efficiency.
Come on Bayko you're smarter than that. Do you actually thing UMP/WRG is going to let you run a tire they didn't get their $$$ for? Again if we have a universal accepted rule there isn't a need for region specific marked tires.
As mentioned in this very thread, there are UMP 30s in Wissota that are not UMP branded. Just because all the tires are going to the compounds there currently use for UMP doesn’t mean they are going to be UMP tires.
And Hoosier kicks in point funds at different regions. Is that based off tire sales alone in that region ? If so, what does that do for point funds if a guy can buy a tire in Iowa and run it in Georgia ?
What the biggest problem is Hoosier has no direct competition. American Racer can't produce the number of tires Hoosier can. Goodyear tossed in the towel years ago. So what's left ?
Again, they went to sanctioning bodies and track owners. We can kick in to your point fund if you make our product the only choice racers have. Smart business strategy on there part.
I'm fully aware of the M30S and W30S being the same tire. But guess what you can't run a W30S at any UMP track. And you can't run a M30S at Wissota tracks. The only exception to this is when WoO goes to Wisconsin and Minnestoa they allow both the M30S and W30S.
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