Rayburns Super Crate Late in Circle Track Mag

[Late_Model_Mark]

The new Circle Track magazine hit the ole mailbox today and there is an interesting article of C.J. Rayburns latest innovation. His 525 powered Super Crate Late that has been discussed on this board. Not a bad lookin' piece. The one thing that I thought was trick was the NHRA Funny Car style roof escape hatch. A great idea. This car is not too shabby.



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[Hoosier]

About the last thing dirt racing needs is another class or another series.

MACS and TN Thunder have quit, because there's too much competition and too little money.

We've got Supers and we've got crate/limited - that's enough.

Dirt is in better shape (mucho better) than asphalt because dirt only has the two classes. My dirt SLM can go to TX or PA or East Bay, and be legal and competitive.

On the other hand, my asphalt SLM can hardly leave the city. FL has special rules and a special motor. AL has special rules. Every asphalt series and every asphalt track makes their own rules - and it hurts everyone.

I'd hate for the dirt people to "improve" things with another spec class. It's a step in the wrong way.

The roof hatch may be a good idea, though. It might extend the career of Rambo, and offer LMM and I a chance to take one for a spin.

[ozzie 35]

That's all we need,another dirt class with the same body.I went to a race last year where I didn't know any of the drivers.They qualyfied supers,crates,steel head late models,and sportsman.They had about 30 cars in each class,all with the same body.The speakers didn't work well and I couldn't tell which class was which.It lasted about 2 and a half hours.Enough is enough.Put a rear bumper cover or stock nose on some of these classes or something.There is such a thing as too much of a good thing.You are right about pavement cars.

Originally Posted by Hoosier

About the last thing dirt racing needs is another class or another series.

MACS and TN Thunder have quit, because there's too much competition and too little money.

We've got Supers and we've got crate/limited - that's enough.

Dirt is in better shape (mucho better) than asphalt because dirt only has the two classes. My dirt SLM can go to TX or PA or East Bay, and be legal and competitive.

On the other hand, my asphalt SLM can hardly leave the city. FL has special rules and a special motor. AL has special rules. Every asphalt series and every asphalt track makes their own rules - and it hurts everyone.

I'd hate for the dirt people to "improve" things with another spec class. It's a step in the wrong way.

The roof hatch may be a good idea, though. It might extend the career of Rambo, and offer LMM and I a chance to take one for a spin.

[Rayburn_Racer]

Originally Posted by Hoosier

About the last thing dirt racing needs is another class or another series.

I'd hate for the dirt people to "improve" things with another spec class. It's a step in the wrong way.

The roof hatch may be a good idea, though. It might extend the career of Rambo, and offer LMM and I a chance to take one for a spin.

National All-stars Racing Series is a SUPER Late Model series. Which allows CT525 Crate Engines to run a weight break..

This is NOT a Crate Class this is not a SPEC class.

The idea is simple...Allow lesser funded racing teams to compete against the super teams. And be competitive.

[EricJohnson]

Rayburn Racer:

Thanks for the clarification.

Point still remains, another series for late models yet again. So when the WDRL or someone is in the area and this series has an event in the area as well it will split cars between the two events. I believe that is the point that the earlier posts were getting at in reference to MACS.

Also, isn't the Rayburn the same series that has been on here asking for opinions and saying that the large sail panels all the way back to the spoiler are something they are considering... as well as other things. To me, don't care what you want to call it but in my book you are now creating a seperate class of car. Which I am sure is what you want as in the first couple of years they race with the Super Lates and eventually break off and create your own class of lates as numbers build.

Let see, we have Super Lates, spec series in the regional areas mainly around motor (some spoiler rule), crates, and now this series.

Lates now remind me of modifieds. Originally started as an entry level race car for racecars and is now a high buck car. So, they start another modified class that restricts carb, motor and tranny... and now that group has high dollars changing it.

[Rocky]

Originally Posted by Rayburn_Racer

The idea is simple...Allow lesser funded racing teams to compete against the super teams. And be competitive.

That would be nice if it ever worked. Jesus himself would be unable to protect racers from spending more than they can afford then having a rich guy lobby the tracks to his own advantage.

Look no further than the stock car classes now there are like 15 different flavors of bomber sometimes all at the same track. More people have a chance to win now because there are 15 features instead of one but the racing is watered down and it sucks and those guys families don't even come out to the races like they used to. IMO everybody is trying to save divisions that are doing well like DLM and mod and not worrying about fixing the divisions that are the real money makers.

[Aggressor]

can someone post a picture of the car?please

[Rubberedup]

Go to cjrayburn.com

[dynotimeonly]

Didn't look worht 39K to me,, more like 28... How much are the new 525 motor's anyway??

[the_chief_t3g]

Please tell me how your figuring up 28k...

[dynotimeonly]

If the 525's sell for 10K. You mean to tell me it cost 29+ thousand to put a rolling rayburn togther??

[Rayburn_Racer]

Originally Posted by dynotimeonly

If the 525's sell for 10K. You mean to tell me it cost 29+ thousand to put a rolling rayburn togther??

Did we forget where these items come from?

Transmission?
Bell-housing?
Driveshaft?
Radiator?
Headers?
Water pump?
Pulley?
Tires?
Wheels?
Wiring harness?
Carburetor?
Breather box?

[Senroc-Systems]

Originally Posted by Rocky

That would be nice if it ever worked. Jesus himself would be unable to protect racers from spending more than they can afford then having a rich guy lobby the tracks to his own advantage.

Look no further than the stock car classes now there are like 15 different flavors of bomber sometimes all at the same track. More people have a chance to win now because there are 15 features instead of one but the racing is watered down and it sucks and those guys families don't even come out to the races like they used to. IMO everybody is trying to save divisions that are doing well like DLM and mod and not worrying about fixing the divisions that are the real money makers.

IMO, if in fact, the CT 525 engine lets the average Joe LM racer be anywhere close to competitive with the open engine, you are going to see them coming by the hundreds. It is a "no brainer" for guys on a limited budget, comparitive, to the open motors.

I'm hearing there will be some of the CT's at Volusia in Feb, gathering data and info. If this combo is capable of making features, against the best in the world, there will be a absolute frenzy to get racers hands on them.

About the "divisions that are doing well like DLM and mod" comment:

THEY ARE NOT DOING WELL! Guys are hanging up the helmet more and more every day! Why? Because it's too ****ed expensive! Car counts are down across the board at virtually every "weekly" track in the Nation. Track after track are closing up.

Something has to be done, and the CT is a step in the right direction.

[Aftershock]

Small sanctioning bodies are pointless at this time. Often times and track draws the same cars for $1500 to win as it does $2000-$2500. The small series' are just stealing another piece of the pie from the drivers, promotors, and fans. Small series' cost the drivers more money to run (entry fees), tracks more money to have (sanctioning fees), and fans more money to get in. Often times its to see the same 5-6 travelers that are there 2/3 of the year anyways. Face it.... The small series' will die out this year.

[eagleracing51]

Originally Posted by dynotimeonly

Didn't look worht 39K to me,, more like 28... How much are the new 525 motor's anyway??

CT525 costs $7200

Then add: WATER PUMP AND PULLEY SERPENTINE $670.00, HEADERS $289.00, ACCU-SUMP $220.00, BELLHOUSING MOUNT PS FUEL PUMP $650.00, CONTROL BOX $325.00

[eagleracing51]

Originally Posted by Rayburn_Racer

Did we forget where these items come from?

Transmission?
Bell-housing?
Driveshaft?
Radiator?
Headers?
Water pump?
Pulley?
Tires?
Wheels?
Wiring harness?
Carburetor?
Breather box?

Found this car on Rayburn website for $14,000 and its a 2010 @ his shop..So add 10k for the CT525 and it still don't add up to $39,850 that he wants for a car complete

http://www.cjrayburn.com/clas/classi...hp/listing/178

[SlingShot]

Maybe I'm wrong, but in the pics the Rayburn car looks to have a lot more deck drop, which I like for safety reasons. I like the engine, the CT525, but I wonder if a whole new series is really the way to go. This may be an option to help Limited lates grow, but good luck getting any of those guys to even talk about it. I personally would like to see computer controlled fuel injection make its way into DLM. I know carbs are the mainstay, but I think it may help our sport in the long run if we were more beneficial to the car makers as an R&D outlet. Just a thought.

What I'd like to do; (If it were upto me)

1) Crates Late: Leave crates as they are GM 602/604, with the exception of allowing other makes to offer comparable engines. Make some body mods, like tapering the quarter panels up and maybe a tail piece.
Weight break for older chassis, #10 off for every year upto 5 years.

2) Limited Late: Bring the CT525 into the Limited ranks. Standardize Limited Late rules, this class is all over the map on engine rules.
Weight break for older chassis, #10 off for every year upto 5 years.

3) Super Late: Leave Super as is, for now. Although I'd like to see a return to the slope nose cars with 2" body lips and half tops.

Just some ideas.

[PaperMen]

Originally Posted by Aggressor

can someone post a picture of the car?please

www.cjrayburn.com

[Senroc-Systems]

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3OMxvW802k

[Rayburn_Racer]

Originally Posted by Senroc-Systems

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3OMxvW802k

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