Hoosier A40S

[wadegarrett]

I like 4 bar cars.... a lot of them cars out there to get hands on reasonable.....just restrict the engines is what makes it cost affective and get us a good tire....

Indy the 4 bar setup is part of the issue with this class. Keeping 4bar does not help, btw switching a 4 bar to a 3link could not be much easier. # bar and leaf cars only and some actual engine rules and real tire and this class would last a while longer.

[indyboywilliam]

I like 4 bar cars.... a lot of them cars out there to get hands on reasonable.....just restrict the engines is what makes it cost affective and get us a good tire....

[wadegarrett]

Most of those rules are already in place. They call them B mods or Sport mods. Not going to happen to the A mods.

not in UMP, they allow 4 bars for Bmods and are mandating crates.....again not helping things. Now IMCA sport mod rules much like what you describe 3 links etc. UMP bmods still use the same (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)ty tire we are stuck with too.

[race21j]

Take away the 4 link rear suspension, allow 3 link rear suspension only with around a 40 inch lift bar, max 5 shocks on the car, 2500 engine claim or exchange rule, American Racer medium compound tires, 2400 minimum weight, enforce the rules and let's go race. Back to basics ....save the class.

Most of those rules are already in place. They call them B mods or Sport mods. Not going to happen to the A mods.

[lou9a]

Take away the 4 link rear suspension, allow 3 link rear suspension only with around a 40 inch lift bar, max 5 shocks on the car, 2500 engine claim or exchange rule, American Racer medium compound tires, 2400 minimum weight, enforce the rules and let's go race. Back to basics ....save the class.

[blncfn57]

Again, you're correct. HOWEVER, UMP is not going to tech or enforce anything, and promoters won't for fear of running someone off, or offending the front runners. To top that off, UMP is who is changing the rules to this BS. The engines aren't helping anyone either. 800hp former 'cup engines, and the like that cost $20K and up to race for $600 is just plain stupid. Also, the D hoosiers aren't the answer. They are baby butt soft, and allow you to hook up a LOT of engine. They also wear out quicker than a hard tire, like the KK704. I'll look into my crystal ball here, and tell you that in 10 years, UMP modifieds won't be racing weekly at but a few tracks, the limited modifieds will have their rules changed to more of what an A mod was a few years ago, and car counts will be down, tracks will close, and the purses will be what they are currently with the same few cars racing each other for those purses. Now, let's see how it plays out. Good luck all and have a safe weekend.

I can't disagree with this post in general, but I will comment on a few points.

The tracks all have the option of allowing however many of the hoosier emod tires that they wish. Most, if not all tracks have not been allowing the D's, but are allowing the A, H, and the new A40S. That is the tracks choice. I never said the D tire was the answer, just that the folks that couldn't make them work lobbied until they are virtually not allowed and now look what we got, a tire that's worse yet! Until this fiasco is straightened out what is a racer supposed to do?? buy H's???
I also do not feel that you are going to discourage the guys that have the big money to spend. If they don't spend it on motors they will find somewhere else to spend it. More than likely it will get spent on technology and engineering help, which puts the little guy at a bigger disadvantage than he was at racing against a big motor. I do not know the answer to fix the class, but I do feel the intimidation of going thru a decent tech inspection every night would help, if nothing else it would make everyone feel better knowing that the cars are tech'd. Heck, I haven't even seen a track check the brakes on all the cars in prolly close to 10 years.... that in itself is scary!!!

[CsR41]

When you're shredding the edges on the RR tire in 3 hot laps, there is a problem.

[modracr41]

I have nothing against that tire, but are you serious? UMP listened to the guys that can't set a car up so that D's would last and basically made that tire not legal anywhere. Then they said, take the spoilers away, that will level the playing field since the guys won't be able to hook up the car without a spoiler. I'm not sure if you paid attention to the florida mod races, but the cars were FASTER this year without the soft tires and without them traction gaining spoilers. If you are worried about the engines, then either petition for some type of engine rule, a track issued restrictor plate, or use the claim rule. This B.S. with changing tires year to year and body dimensions/rules is dumb. The first place to start with saving the class is actually enforcing the rules that are already printed!!

Again, you're correct. HOWEVER, UMP is not going to tech or enforce anything, and promoters won't for fear of running someone off, or offending the front runners. To top that off, UMP is who is changing the rules to this BS. The engines aren't helping anyone either. 800hp former 'cup engines, and the like that cost $20K and up to race for $600 is just plain stupid. Also, the D hoosiers aren't the answer. They are baby butt soft, and allow you to hook up a LOT of engine. They also wear out quicker than a hard tire, like the KK704. I'll look into my crystal ball here, and tell you that in 10 years, UMP modifieds won't be racing weekly at but a few tracks, the limited modifieds will have their rules changed to more of what an A mod was a few years ago, and car counts will be down, tracks will close, and the purses will be what they are currently with the same few cars racing each other for those purses. Now, let's see how it plays out. Good luck all and have a safe weekend.

[wadegarrett]

Dean won the feature one night and finished 4th in the feature the other night. I don't remember him coming in and changing tires during the feature.

maybe not but on his post on you're site and fb he was less than pleased with a40s and he was not the only one

[kidrock]

I have nothing against that tire, but are you serious? UMP listened to the guys that can't set a car up so that D's would last and basically made that tire not legal anywhere. Then they said, take the spoilers away, that will level the playing field since the guys won't be able to hook up the car without a spoiler. I'm not sure if you paid attention to the florida mod races, but the cars were FASTER this year without the soft tires and without them traction gaining spoilers. If you are worried about the engines, then either petition for some type of engine rule, a track issued restrictor plate, or use the claim rule. This B.S. with changing tires year to year and body dimensions/rules is dumb. The first place to start with saving the class is actually enforcing the rules that are already printed!!

Would you please for life of me quit using common sense it's hurting my ears lol. Yes you are so right. Start with enforcing the rules you have and then work with the racers, car owners and tracks to come up with a good set of common sense rules and demand they be enforced.

[stlracing]

go talk to Dean Hoffman and he will tell you at I55 the new A40S did not even make one night. Hoosier is not doing there part, trying blame it one the racing surface,,,unreal its not like I55 brought in new abrasive dirt.

Dean won the feature one night and finished 4th in the feature the other night. I don't remember him coming in and changing tires during the feature.

[wadegarrett]

I would have to agree with this statement.

all good points. Usra has a good tire and decent rules and actual tech. Ump needs to leave, wonder what kind bucks promoters ate getting to keep ump around

[QQQQ]

I have nothing against that tire, but are you serious? UMP listened to the guys that can't set a car up so that D's would last and basically made that tire not legal anywhere. Then they said, take the spoilers away, that will level the playing field since the guys won't be able to hook up the car without a spoiler. I'm not sure if you paid attention to the florida mod races, but the cars were FASTER this year without the soft tires and without them traction gaining spoilers. If you are worried about the engines, then either petition for some type of engine rule, a track issued restrictor plate, or use the claim rule. This B.S. with changing tires year to year and body dimensions/rules is dumb. The first place to start with saving the class is actually enforcing the rules that are already printed!!

I would have to agree with this statement.

[blncfn57]

If UMP had any sense, they'd tell Hoosier to bite the big one and partner with AR for the KK704's. It would level the playing field, make the high $$ motors obsolete, and save the racers money too. Oh wait, I need to wake up. That'll never happen......

I have nothing against that tire, but are you serious? UMP listened to the guys that can't set a car up so that D's would last and basically made that tire not legal anywhere. Then they said, take the spoilers away, that will level the playing field since the guys won't be able to hook up the car without a spoiler. I'm not sure if you paid attention to the florida mod races, but the cars were FASTER this year without the soft tires and without them traction gaining spoilers. If you are worried about the engines, then either petition for some type of engine rule, a track issued restrictor plate, or use the claim rule. This B.S. with changing tires year to year and body dimensions/rules is dumb. The first place to start with saving the class is actually enforcing the rules that are already printed!!

[modracr41]

Find a promoter with the balls to run these http://www.southwestspeed.com/?sec=view_part&id=9965
and dump ump.

That tire would be AWESOME, if they would keep that price, and it didn't wear out like the POS hoosiers. Otherwise, KK704 AR's are the way to go. IMCA used them for years before Hoosier bribed them with the $$ and they changed to the Hoosier IMCA G60. Has anyone run these tires on an A mod?