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  • checkersorwreckers
    Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 74

    #1

    willys/jdr/vdl/Wagner 4412

    Has anyone dyno any of these against each other? Which one is the best? Best bang for the buck? Or is there a better one out there? Must be Imca legal
  • stockcar5
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 1289

    #2
    i just got my vdl back from being converted back to being imca legal (had thin shafts/blades for usra) i will be comparing it against my jdr in the next week or 2. my vdl was always 10hp better than the jdr. we'll see if it can keep up with the latest updates.

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    • 50j
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2007
      • 1047

      #3
      Has the JDR been updated too?

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      • outlawstreet21
        Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 84

        #4
        Check out Total Custom Carbs from Louisiana. I know Keith white and a lot of Imca guys use them.

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        • 50j
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2007
          • 1047

          #5
          Be careful with what you get. Some of them won't pass a booster height gauge so if you get checked for it you may want to ask before you buy.

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          • Racer96m
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2008
            • 425

            #6
            VDL is what we ran, Gauge legal top to bottom and made more HP on the Dyno than everything we tested.
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            • stockcar5
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 1289

              #7
              Originally posted by 50j View Post
              Has the JDR been updated too?
              the jdr has the latest and greatest according to john. it runs very well.

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              • 50j
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2007
                • 1047

                #8
                You might want to make sure that it has the new updates if it's been more than a couple of months. Things change all the time.

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                • newguy
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 170

                  #9
                  I ran a VDL 500 for 2 season, carb worked very well, However everytime i would call for some tech advice i was treated like i was an idiot, this year the rules switched to 4bl carbs, I had a BG silver claw sitting on the shelf for about 10 years that i sent off to john over at JDR. He has always taken his time with me and tried his best to dumb things down for me to understand. I even put his name on my car to show my appreciation. Honestly i dont care if i can get 5 more horse power out of a VDL. JDR has my respect and my loyalty for now on.

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                  • 50j
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 1047

                    #10
                    I've seen the JDR 4412 make more power and run a lot better when you pick the throttle up. I would say to dyno them and see what you see on your motor, and then run them.

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                    • stockcar5
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 1289

                      #11
                      Finished on the dyno last night. The JDR and the VDL both ran well. They were within 1hp of each other. Both had good fuel curves and both ended up with 73's for jets. Only change needed to both carbs was a power valve change to cure the rich condition above 6500rpm. JDR has some updates that claim a few more hp so i'll be sending that to get updated and get it back on the dyno this fall.

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                      • racer4gt
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 135

                        #12
                        will it pass the gauge test if so call me at 717-659-3540

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                        • Driver88
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 104

                          #13
                          Originally posted by stockcar5 View Post
                          Finished on the dyno last night. The JDR and the VDL both ran well. They were within 1hp of each other. Both had good fuel curves and both ended up with 73's for jets. Only change needed to both carbs was a power valve change to cure the rich condition above 6500rpm. JDR has some updates that claim a few more hp so i'll be sending that to get updated and get it back on the dyno this fall.

                          What power valve did you end up with? Can I/we get some engine specs? If not I understand just thought I'd ask.
                          Thanks

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                          • stockcar5
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2007
                            • 1289

                            #14
                            We ended up with a 2.5. The motor never got to 3.5 inches of vacuum so the PV never closed. When we switched from the 3.5 to the 2.5 it picked up 10hp from 6500 on up.

                            motor is an imca 360 spec engine 10.5 to 1 355.

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                            • special
                              Junior Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 25

                              #15
                              Jdr is awesome ,one of the best most knowledgable guys around!!

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