How far are you coming for the Gateway Nationals ?

[CIRF]

Who are these "people in the know" you speak of dirt crow/CIRF?

The person I talked to about it is an upper level official at a prominent weekly dirt late model track. I'll take his word on most anything concerning race promotion and organization because he's been very successful over a period of a decade or more.

Could this event be a success, failure or so-so? Yes. Nobody knows. No matter what big event we attend there is expenses involved so I'm not sure why that's an issue about attending.

All the research we've done clearly indicates we can attend the Knepper 55 for less than 1/2 of what we'd spend at St. Louis. That is taking into consideration parking, ticket price, and lodging. That isn't taking into account the much higher food and beverage prices that are a sure thing at St. Louis.

We've all seen great races and bad races from Du Quoin to FALS to Eldora and all points in between. The Dome is really no different.

I've been to all but one of the Du Quoin indoor shows dating all the way back to the days when they ran 2 nights during the fair on Labor Day Weekend. I can honestly say that there hasn't been a bad one of all of them. There have been several better than others but no real stinkers.

[calverton]

All the research we've done clearly indicates we can attend the Knepper 55 for less than 1/2 of what we'd spend at St. Louis. That is taking into consideration parking, ticket price, and lodging. That isn't taking into account the much higher food and beverage prices that are a sure thing at St. Louis. so you being a cheap scape around Christmas time that being said you ain't going

[calverton]

and how would the guy know the track is not even built yet and you do know Matt Curl and Kevin Gundaker and Kelley Carlton are behind this event

[FourDeepInTheFluff]

Might be tough to pull off, Gateway starts hot laps at 3, usac starts at 4. All Gateway has to run Saturday is probably 15-20 races total, so if everything goes smooth they should be done at a decent time.

This is the plan on 12/1... when we get there it may change. They may run efficiently, but I was at Indy Indoors and there was nothing efficient about the time there. I will bank on that. Regardless, I will be at The Dome on Friday, and DuQuoin on Saturday with plans to make it back to The Dome for the final race of the night.

[calverton]

I believe it's a midnight curfew at the dome

[Barbecueboy]

Mr. imbecile, how do you know I'm not going?

I have been there and done that almost every time. A whole lot more times than you. I've only missed one of all that have been run in the SIC and that includes the shows run during the fair a few years ago. You're an illiterate half wit that wouldn't know a yawner from the best race ever run.

Now go work your face plant magic and do a bit more brain damage!! LOL!!

Drain bamage.......lol.

If I could work out going , I would be going........hope it rocks, hammerle for the win.

[calverton]

I believe you bbq boy CIRF has been bad mouthing this event since the get go and then he says he's going yep going right past it to the other show that weekend

[CIRF]

This is the plan on 12/1... when we get there it may change. They may run efficiently, but I was at Indy Indoors and there was nothing efficient about the time there. I will bank on that. Regardless, I will be at The Dome on Friday, and DuQuoin on Saturday with plans to make it back to The Dome for the final race of the night.

You might just make it FDITF. Racing is scheduled to begin at 5 PM at Du Quoin and there will be NO SUPPORT CLASSES this year. Midgets only.

I too was at Indy and if that fiasco is any indication I know you'll make it. And don't forget the possibility of the racing action being temporarily suspended due to carbon monoxide. That happened at Indy a couple of times throughout the evening. All depends if the health department is monitoring CO levels. I'll bet they will be. CO has never been a problem at Du Quoin so that shouldn't stand in the way of you making it back to St. Louis.

[calverton]

they have never ever haa a co problem with super cross at the dome plus it's a lil bigger than a basketball court good greif you gott be desperate for that kind of a event

[CIRF]

You're wrong mr. face plant! LOL!! Gonna' be there Friday night and then heading to Du Quoin immediately following the completion of racing activities.

No bad mouthin', just stating reality in reference to cost comparison's and considering all possibilities with the memory of Indy still fresh.

[FourDeepInTheFluff]

You might just make it FDITF. Racing is scheduled to begin at 5 PM at Du Quoin and there will be NO SUPPORT CLASSES this year. Midgets only.

I too was at Indy and if that fiasco is any indication I know you'll make it. And don't forget the possibility of the racing action being temporarily suspended due to carbon monoxide. That happened at Indy a couple of times throughout the evening. All depends if the health department is monitoring CO levels. I'll bet they will be. CO has never been a problem at Du Quoin so that shouldn't stand in the way of you making it back to St. Louis.

This is precisely what we are banking on! It doesn't matter to us if we only make it in time for the main event(s). We have hotel at the Drury Inn next door, so all is well as far as logistics.

CIRF, this microbrew you talk about in Du Quoin, are children allowed? I will be carrying my 11 year old nephew along for the weekend. I did check out their site, but did not find the information needed. I know you have made mention of this brewery before, so since we are not coming from the south this year (we have a dandy burger joint in Carbondale we hit on the way up) we will be trying this brewery out!

See you at the show!

[CIRF]

they have never ever haa a co problem with super cross at the dome plus it's a lil bigger than a basketball court good greif you gott be desperate for that kind of a event

You really are an ignoramus, aren't you.

One 750 HP V-8 engine will produce more CO than probably 7 or 8 small motor bike engines. Just one cylinder of that V-8 engine turning 7,000 RPM probably intakes more CFM of air and converts the oxygen in it to CO than one of those motor bike engines. You put 9 or 10 of those 750 HP V-8's on the track for a 10 lap heat race and you've got a lot of CFM of air having it's oxygen content converted into CO. It's a matter of physics.

There is no bigger exercise in futility than attempting to explain or have intelligent reportage' with a fool the likes of litey. Really dumb on my part!!

[calverton]

You really are an ignoramus, aren't you.One 750 HP V-8 engine will produce more CO than probably 7 or 8 small motor bike engines. Just one cylinder of that V-8 engine turning 7,000 RPM probably intakes more CFM of air and converts the oxygen in it to CO than one of those motor bike engines. You put 9 or 10 of those 750 HP V-8's on the track for a 10 lap heat race and you've got a lot of CFM of air having it's oxygen content converted into CO. It's a matter of physics.There is no bigger exercise in futility than attempting to explain or have intelligent reportage' with a fool the likes of litey. Really dumb on my part!!

7 or 8 try close to 40 besides the monster trucks will their this weekend , try 20 4 cyl running around with no leader lol in a place a lot small than the dome and what do get , I almost passed out in duqoiun

[Krooser]

Just saw that my nephews from central IL are going so I may make the trip, to.. will be 500 miles from central WI... it's 320 to Fairbury... a few more to Bloomington then 160 more to the Gateway.

[CIRF]

This is precisely what we are banking on! It doesn't matter to us if we only make it in time for the main event(s). We have hotel at the Drury Inn next door, so all is well as far as logistics.

CIRF, this microbrew you talk about in Du Quoin, are children allowed? I will be carrying my 11 year old nephew along for the weekend. I did check out their site, but did not find the information needed. I know you have made mention of this brewery before, so since we are not coming from the south this year (we have a dandy burger joint in Carbondale we hit on the way up) we will be trying this brewery out!

See you at the show!

FDITF, I think you'll be able to pull it off barring any inordinate delays at the USAC show.

Not a problem for your nephew entering the St. Nicholas Brewery. It has a fairly extensive menu in addition to the beers available. The environment is heavily geared to casual dining and even has a bit of a family feel to it. They even have a kids menu. The only restrictions I could fathom for the younger folks being in the place would be later on in the evening. Given the fact it's an eatery with a dining area basically separate from the bar area I doubt very much there would be any restrictions in effect even later in the evening. With racing scheduled to begin at 5 PM that wouldn't be a problem even if restrictions do exist, which i don't think they do.

I think you'll like the place. The building formerly housed the St. Nicholas hotel. They have done a tremendous amount of updating and remodeling and according to what we've been told it's still a work in progress. I've also been told by some older folks in Du Quoin that the big names in racing of the 1950's and 1960's championship open wheel circuit stayed in the St. Nicholas the night before racing at the mile track on the fairgrounds. I've been told it got plenty rowdy back in them day's. I've heard story's of Sam Hanks, Tony Bettenhausen and Eddie Sachs, among others were some of the guests at the old hotel back during the years when the championship trail still went through Du Quoin.


We might see you at the brewery, and if not we hope to cross paths at the races!

Travel safe.

[CIRF]

7 or 8 try close to 40 besides the monster trucks will their this weekend , try 20 4 cyl running around with no leader lol in a place a lot small than the dome and what do get , I almost passed out in duqoiun

Your lack of common sense is astounding but not surprising.

What I said is that one 750 HP dirt late model or mortified would easily equal 7 or 8 motor bikes in the amount of CO they produce. So, if that theory is anywhere close to being accurate 5 late models would easily equal 40 motor bikes. The heat races will likely have 9 or 10 late models for probably 10 laps. And, there are usually no more than a couple of monster trucks running at a time. We're talking about a whole different set of circumstances, you moron!

I've been in the Southern Illinois Center many times for midget racing and never have I been affected in the least by fumes. The reason you were on the edge of consciousness was due to the fact that you had bit the sidewalk on the way into the building! LOLOL!!!

[turnleftandgasit]

Coming down from the Bloomington area. Comped suite at the Casino Queen (thanks father-in-law).

[calverton]

duqouin is a go cart and you know it

[calverton]

mortified dare you say that guys like Mike Harrison or Mike Long for that matter the 2 Kennys also from nascar

[dirt crow]

Who are these "people in the know" you speak of dirt crow/CIRF? So far the only person "in the know" that has posted on this has been the actual promoter of the event. If these "in the know" people feel this way, why aren't they expressing their opinions to everyone?

Could this event be a success, failure or so-so? Yes. Nobody knows. No matter what big event we attend there is expenses involved so I'm not sure why that's an issue about attending. Either you can afford to play or not. Does just attending and paying expenses guarantee a great race or that your pro sport team will not lose and ruin your experience etc? No. We all know that going in.

We've all seen great races and bad races from Du Quoin to FALS to Eldora and all points in between. The Dome is really no different.

I guess the biggest issue with this event is the unfathomable costs and logistics to put this event on. One could only imagine. These factors dictate prices to attend as fans and teams but it has to be that way.

All in all it should be a great time in St Louis as us race fans take over Be thankful it's being tried and remember there are far more things to be concerned about in the world today.

Sorry chief. Not outing my sources. Lol

Look. I hope people I've talked to are wrong. Hope I regret not going. Hope it's a huge success, great racing, photo finish, and everyone leaves happy and heads to steak-n-shake pumped. But I'm gonna have to stay home and watch. Too much negative talk and doubts.

But if it's a hit, and they do it again next year, I'm there.