Spring Creek Speedway 2011

[carcrazy7]

Please make up your mind. In your previous post you said, "the only revision made to the b-mods is all cars must run a 2-barrel carburetor, before they said that cars running the create motor could run a 4-barrel." Which is it 2 or 4 barrel with the crate engines?

crate motors can run the 4bbl .. as long as they are imca legal.

[empowerbpo]

Spring Creek Speedway 2011

Thanks for the providing info!!!!

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[eddieb1965]

I dont know why the guest thing is on there,as many posts as I have I shouldnt be a guest anymore. Thanks for the offer,but i have a car spoken for,going to pick it up Fri.It will be pushing my limits to be ready for practice day,but Ill be there sooner or later.... Slideways,send me an E-mail to eddieandmandy@irtc.net

[apr28]

crate motors can run the 4bbl .. as long as they are imca legal.

Is there going to be a tech person to make sure the crate is sealed properly according to Imca rules. Must use unaltered sealed GM #88958602 or #19258602 crate engine. Crate engine MUST use original HEI distributor with MSD #8728 rev-control and 6,200 rpm chip. If that's the case I have no problem with crate running 4bbl. I'm going to have a claimer 9:1 sportmod engine which has to run a 2bbl at spring creek.

[carcrazy7]

i dont know that for sure so i cant say one way or the other. i believe they had i crate there last year and i pitted next to him and he did get checked. he showed me the thing and said this is untouched. so that said.. i'd just show up and race. it aint near as bad worrying abot a legal crate as it would be running against a 15-1 415 ..LOL ! go race have fun , aint no one making any money out of this sport anyways..LOL

[uindadust]

ya, aint nobody makin money, so don't worry about rules. just finish in the back, its just for fun anyway. what a joke! everybody wants to have a chance to win, thats why they have rules. i raced there all season last year, and got teched once, and the tech guy asked ME what tires we were supposed to on! and thats ALL he checked. he didn't know what was legal or not. if you follow the rules in macomb, your gonna run in the back. and there are plenty of big motors there too. they don't care if your legal, they just want your money.

[mr.slidewayz]

the more rules they make ..... the more beochin your gona hear ..... if everyone looks back in time , when i.m.c.a started ....it meant .... equal engines (wich were supposed to be cheap and equal) , someone cut that ship loose . it set sail ! they HAVE LOST THEIR INTENSIONS ! u.m.p has followed that path ! NOW LETs ALL GET TOGETHER and come up with a very limited set of chassis rules (we have plenty of those) AND GO BACK TO THE ACTUALL IDEA OF ECONOMICAL RACING !!!!!!!!! can i get a HELL YEAH ?????

[mr.slidewayz]

the idea was to get a cheap engine (hence a 602) and let the boys tinker with a "baseline car" and go out and enjoy themselves (out think each other) . they didnt have spec engines back then ....... but we do now ! i have an oppertunity to try out something new . at macomb . do any of you want to try it ? it's a 602 sportsman type a car - to be named later with the help from all you fellow racers . all that it requires is a 602 engine & the cars u.m.p canned , and a brain . we can even slip old retired sportsman cars and maybe even outdated modified cars (with limited suspension systems ) in the mix ..... we don't care (you got a car , we got a track , lets get together!). its kinda like a run what ya brung (oem frame cars - n o late models) , as long as it has a 602 engine (or equivelent type sealed engine of other manufacturers) and a 8 inch tire . ( I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO DO A LOT OF TECHIN , AND I WONT HAVE AS MUCH BEOCHIN !
macomb wants to try something new . F.Y.I ..... they also have the i.m.c.a mixed with u.m.p street stocks on a weekly basis (some good cars) . those rules are user friendly as well . (and they don't have that many !) they don't plan to change those rules at all this season (can i get another hell yeah) . that class is already up and runnning ,it's not my deal (but i bet i run one)
i am going to go out of my way to help that track stay afloat . they gave me the oppertunity to come up with a class of car to help the guys that are getting boycotted (OR .... you all can just run our street stocks AS YOU ARE at this track if you want) . im still scrambling to make a good , fair , cheap , type division for the excess of cars WE ARE STUCK WITH (that have trick suspension , widened frames , multi mounts . etc , etc . .)
the track is nice . its old school and low buck . if you dont like that ..... good luck , go dump your money

[apr28]

My point is easier just to put a 2bbl on everything. Nobody goes out to race just to have fun. You would like to feel you got a chance to win. Not fun when you get your a** beat. Been there done that. Plus it's not the legal crate you have to worry it's the supposed crate that is accually 15 to 1 415 with a 4bbl on it.

[uindadust]

well said apr28- i feel the same way.

[Dirtrace54]

The guys from Spoon that said they were crates were the ones switching things. The 2 guys from Donnelson, Blivens and Gaylord, were the only 2 that were IMCA. Blivens didnt run a crate and had a 2 barrel on at all times. Gaylord had no problem being inspected, and told anyone who had question on his car to look at it. The one night I looked at it, it appeared to be legal. I didnt look at too hard because I was not the tech guy. LCS checks these motors pretty well, and if someone has little knowledge of crates, the amount of money to reseal a crate after someone tampers with it is over a 1000 bucks. So if an IMCA guy tampers with it, he is spending alot of money just on a chance to win the amount at Macomb.

All in all, checking a crate motor is extremely easy. The reseal bolts are only available from GM and only approved rebuilders can buy them. The numbers are must be recorded on which motor they are being installed on.

All in all, an IMCA sportmod compared to a Macomb Bmod, is like comparing a cruiser to the current street stocks. They are a lesser car, but if people realized the driver experience in those two sportmods, they may see the big picture and realize that it might not be the car, but the driver that makes the difference.

[uindadust]

blivens finished 3rd in points at lcs last year, and yes he's a helluva driver! gaylord isn't listed on the track points, atleast not top 15, (i didn't even see his name in any results) and hes a good driver too, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be tech'd. ALL cars should be tech'd, atleast top 3 after heats and feature, by a tech man that knows what to look at, not another driver. most if not all the spoon b mods are on alcohol, thats illegal in macomb, but they don't say a word. its like a slap in the face for a guy that supports macomb and races there every week. the 3m car ran bmod in macomb last year and he had a mullins roller motor with aluminum heads!

[Dirtrace54]

I agree with teching. Didnt say it didnt need done. Just saying there were alot of rumors out there that would bold face lies. The canton cars were a big concern of mine, but until my brother started helping with tech, I dont think anything was checked. As far as Marquard, I know my brother hadnt started looking at cars when he was out there. Paul knew what to look for, he would check a car and people would still claim it was running illegal parts. When a street stock is accused of running a Bert and a Dry sump, anyone can spot these. The ones he checked had none of these. The BMods everyone were concerned about seemed to be Blivens and Gaylord. A couple griped about Marquard, but not much was brought up about the canton cars, which stumped me. And Paul only went and looked at the cars he was told to by Randy.

At the banquet early in the year, rules were given out that were different than the rules that were agreed apon, the final set. All in all, there were 3 different sets of rules put out. Some of the racers remember this since at the banquet, one part that was updated, wasnt in the new rules and a bunch of people pointed it out quickly. The board tried to correct this, but it was a hard mistake to completely correct. The problem arouse when not all of the board members had the same word processing program so when reviewing everything, the rules had to be sent out in 2 different formats. I was talking to 3 different people about different class rules plus dealing with all the addresses and driver information from the year before. I was trying to do all the typing for the rules and forms, and I had sent the final in both formats to Adam the day before. I thought he was the one printing the rules, but it ended being Rich who didnt have the finalize set. I guess this could be considered my fault because I was trying to do too much at once back then. The paperwork left by Rob, and any board member could verify this, was scattered in about 5 different formats, and alot of duplicates and none of the word matched. We were trying to make it look more professional and to sound simple and easy to understand with little grey area. It wasnt Adams fault or Richs fault. One set of rules Randy was given wasnt the final set. I do not see this as his fault, because he was going off what he was given. Just miscommunication. Ill take the blame of that part. It sounds like that wont happen again.

[Dirtrace54]

One other rule I was concerned with was the no coilovers on the rear of the cars. I heard some are going to run those this year. They are not legal, and from what I know, they arent legal in ANY Bmod, Emod, or Sportmod class anywhere. Any most chassis builders will tell you when it comes to a car running 4bar on the hook or a swingarm car, coilovers can be an adavantage compared to splitting up the shock and spring. I would like to see this checked.

[apr28]

Coilovers are not allowed in Imca sportmod. It shouldn't be all left to the tech person. If someone thinks somedody is illegal bring it up. Don't let it go and grip about it. If their legal they won't have anything to hide. If anyone thinks the apr28 bmod is illegal, come and ask me and I'll show what's in question. I know my car is new this year to springceek. check it out I don't care. not to change the subject but I assume they will be weighing cars this year. didn't see much of that last year.