Bloomquist - Eldora Dream Tire issue. He has lawyers involved trying for injunction.

[fastford]

"At East Alabama a couple of weeks ago at least 4 crate cars were dq'd on tires by same lab I think here is the kicker the tires were bought off the tracks truck WTF this whole thing is BS. If you buy them off tire truck at track how the hell are they wrong.One story I heard were they were supposed to be for a racer whose family owns the track and got mixed up with the other tires and sold to other racers by mistake Sounds like Hoosier needs to come up with some answers pretty dam quick this whole deal looks like it could get nasty."

Of course, we believe you! Wait.....let me change these wet Depends!

its the thomases, what do you expect???????

[dirtdobber45]

She sure does!!!

I want to paint my house like that...awesome CW

[Barbecueboy]

do you need a box of them for your fleet of scooters around the nursng home

Not yet, but you can bet your azz when I do get there I will be doing some stupid sht just like that........and I would bolt one of them billary stickers right on it.

[Barbecueboy]

if you were going to cheat tires at a race, which race would you pick? what challenge does any lawyer have: who handled the samples and was there a chain of command after the samples were collected (Ryan Braun)? the retort from the other side: who on the race team had custody of the tires from time of purchase until on the track? bloomer never lost a race unless he broke, someone cheated, or raced dirty. just read his post race interviews. tony wants bloomer at Eldora? are we talking about the same guy that took away a world win from babb at the scales? sorry. tony will weigh the integrity of his track, this event, and his reputation against 5 cheating racers. where do you think he'll land when making the decision? a rain out and the potential end of the suspension: now that would be fun!!! can't wait to watch this board when the suspension is upheld but of the scheduling date.

Your probably right klem, Tony will do what is right by racing and his track.........

And whatever you think of him, you have to like him for that.

[Kwd1253]

Scott trying dig a grave with Tony, I mean how much negative does Tony take for Scott talking about suing Eldora for the past year. I would just ban him from the track, if I had this much problems with driver like scott.

[old fan]

Not yet, but you can bet your azz when I do get there I will be doing some stupid sht just like that........and I would bolt one of them billary stickers right on it.

clayton wetter beat you to it betcha you sell a bunch of those in Louisiana about know

[dirtdobber45]

At East Alabama a couple of weeks ago at least 4 crate cars were dq'd on tires by same lab I think here is the kicker the tires were bought off the tracks truck WTF this whole thing is BS. If you buy them off tire truck at track how the hell are they wrong.One story I heard were they were supposed to be for a racer whose family owns the track and got mixed up with the other tires and sold to other racers by mistake Sounds like Hoosier needs to come up with some answers pretty dam quick this whole deal looks like it could get nasty .

its the thomases, what do you expect???????

Any documentation on that?

[Josh Bayko]

At East Alabama a couple of weeks ago at least 4 crate cars were dq'd on tires by same lab I think here is the kicker the tires were bought off the tracks truck WTF this whole thing is BS. If you buy them off tire truck at track how the hell are they wrong.One story I heard were they were supposed to be for a racer whose family owns the track and got mixed up with the other tires and sold to other racers by mistake Sounds like Hoosier needs to come up with some answers pretty dam quick this whole deal looks like it could get nasty .

So a huge international corporation like Hoosier is going to stake it's reputation on a handful of support class cars?

Lol.

[Barbecueboy]

So a huge international corporation like Hoosier is going to stake it's reputation on a handful of support class cars?

Lol.

Probably more like the distributor , IF any shenanigans were going on in the tire truck.
But I'm sure you knew that already.

It is weird that they would all come back hot and they were purchased and bolted on at the track though.......all the experts have said its a lengthy process to make tires come back hot, doesn't just happen by spilling something on them.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense and lends all kinds of creedance to the chain of custody thoerists......

[Josh Bayko]

Probably more like the distributor , IF any shenanigans were going on in the tire truck.
But I'm sure you knew that already.

It is weird that they would all come back hot and they were purchased and bolted on at the track though.......all the experts have said its a lengthy process to make tires come back hot, doesn't just happen by spilling something on them.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense and lends all kinds of creedance to the chain of custody thoerists......

It doesn't lend any creedence to anything, other than maybe the local tire distributor might have somebody juicing up tires for certain customers.

The whole chain of custody process is largely the same across all of racing. The lab used is used by every major sanction in the country, including NASCAR. You can rail on the process all you want, but it's been working for years without complaint. The only racers who have ever whined about any of it were the ones that were caught.

You keep talking in circles, and you're making less and less sense every time. It's getting extremely tiresome to see the same post, with the same message, paraphrased every single day with even more useless periods between each line.

Move the f*ck on. Seriously. It's beyond time to start talking about other things. The biggest races of the year are coming up. Talk about them. Late models are violently flipping at an alarming rate. Talk about that. Costs have to be reigned in. Talk about that.

[Barbecueboy]

It doesn't lend any creedence to anything, other than maybe the local tire distributor might have somebody juicing up tires for certain customers.

The whole chain of custody process is largely the same across all of racing. The lab used is used by every major sanction in the country, including NASCAR. You can rail on the process all you want, but it's been working for years without complaint. The only racers who have ever whined about any of it were the ones that were caught.

You keep talking in circles, and you're making less and less sense every time. It's getting extremely tiresome to see the same post, with the same message, paraphrased every single day with even more useless periods between each line.

Move the f*ck on. Seriously. It's beyond time to start talking about other things. The biggest races of the year are coming up. Talk about them. Late models are violently flipping at an alarming rate. Talk about that. Costs have to be reigned in. Talk about that.

Almost as tiresome as seeing everyone say that all racers cheat........facts are, not all of them do..

And for what it's worth, I defy you to show me that the way NASCAR handles the chain of custody issue with tires and testing are even remotely close to what woo does?

About the only thing similar is that ....they use the same lab.

The chain of custody on tires for ump/woo isn't even remotely close to how NASCAR handles tires for races...I know you are smarter than that.


Sorry about the ..........didn't know they made you crazy.

[W2Racing09]

Almost as tiresome as seeing everyone say that all racers cheat........facts are, not all of them do..

And for what it's worth, I defy you to show me that the way NASCAR handles the chain of custody issue with tires and testing are even remotely close to what woo does?

About the only thing similar is that ....they use the same lab.

The chain of custody on tires for ump/woo isn't even remotely close to how NASCAR handles tires for races...I know you are smarter than that.

Sorry about the ..........didn't know they made you crazy.

Serious question here. If the system is so broken (I don't disagree that it certainly can be improved) then do you have any ideas for improvement? How would you change things?

[Barbecueboy]

Serious question here. If the system is so broken (I don't disagree that it certainly can be improved) then do you have any ideas for improvement? How would you change things?

It's not soooooo broken, it needs to be improved to take out the uncertainties prior to labeling someone a cheater.....

I've thrown out several ideas that have all been dismissed by the 4 m experts.......

Buy the tires from the sanctioning body.......everybody wants to compare woo/ump to NASCAR because they use the same lab( I would like for someone to check the frequency of and see the last time NASCAR had to test a tire against a benchmark, talking NASCAR big boys, not weekend warriors running at a NASCAR sanctioned track).

I like what Lucas is doing but would take it a step further and allow grooving and siping in the designated area under the watch of officials ......I've thrown out the drone idea to help oversee the area( it's not really that far fetched)

Do completely away with tire restrictions and run what you have( and please, don't bore me with the health implications argument.........if racers and fans health were of such big concern then there are tons of health hazards at about any track or shop you go too that would be banned as well.

Have the sanctioning bodies do there own testing at the track .......prior to racing.
If it's such a big issue for them and nobody really trusts or believes in the whole process being used now, then beat the cheaters at there own game.
Check em first, if they don't pass then they don't race.
The officials can test the grooved pieces that they should allow the teams to do.
Or better yet, make Hoosier do it.........you want to be the official tire of our series? Then bring a testing apparatus when you bring the truckload of tires you sell to our competitors.

There are plenty of ways to make a change......somebody has to be ballzy enough to do it.
I applaud the Lucas move, it's the first real change anyone has tried on getting tires policed by doing something other than......." We'll boyz, it's the way we've a always a done it and we like it, if it ain't broke don't be a fixin it, somebody hand me a ceegar"

[Barbecueboy]

And josh fwiw, and I think I've been pretty clear on it.........my suspicion is not so much with the lab as it is with the collection process after the race and who may have had their hands on the tires prior to the teams getting them.

Although through no fault of their own, this same lab sat squarely in the middle of a very expensive dispute when a tire company sent them the wrong benchmark......luckily the guy was vindicated and errors were discovered.

The real shocker for me that has me all wound up to this enough is enough moment are who they claimed to have caught at the dream......and no pun intended , but by all accounts from a few of them, that jury is still out.

[old fan]

real simple no chemicals near tires