Tracks step up safety

[brsteg]

I think some more studies and testing need to be done on the HANS device before it becomes mandatory. My concerns are with all the concussions that are showing up with drivers using the HANS. Could it be possible that we have eliminated neck injures and replaced it with brain injures? Could it be that now the head is being held too rigid and the brain is still moving in the head and contacting the skull with a greater force than before? I'm just a dumb old driver but I have been thinking about this for about 6 months or more with all the concussions that are now coming to light. Any thoughts.

Are you suggesting that we have drivers die instantly from a broken neck instead of being out for a month or 2 with concussions?
Also a HANS is designed for a head on crash, it has much less effect in a side impact.
I didn't see the wreck but hearing accounts, I think he hit his head against the wall or roll bar. Maybe I'm wrong; but full containment seat would have been the best beat to prevent that from happening. That's just not the direction a HANS was designed for.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Are you suggesting that we have drivers die instantly from a broken neck instead of being out for a month or 2 with concussions?
Also a HANS is designed for a head on crash, it has much less effect in a side impact.
I didn't see the wreck but hearing accounts, I think he hit his head against the wall or roll bar. Maybe I'm wrong; but full containment seat would have been the best beat to prevent that from happening. That's just not the direction a HANS was designed for.

Are you suggesting that LM drivers have, in the past, died from lack of HANS?

[Aluminium Block]

Some items that are considered a safety item in one situation can make another one dangerous. Two drivers have died in Ohio this year. One because he couldn't get out of his car on fire. Did HANS, full containment seat, etc hinder that? The other one died from apparent impact where these items may have been helpful. Making something mandatory that could hinder exit from a burning car may not be the answer...........

[pap]

Something I have noticed, drivers sitting too high in the car, head even to or above halo. Watch DOD video of the the World and watch Mcdowell's head. This was a big thing back in the 80's, and it seems I'm seeing more guys either sitting to high or having a lower halo.

[pig tracker]

I'm not suggesting anything other than more studies might need to be done before we just say "let's make a HANS mandatory". Are they saving a particular injury and possible creating another. Also, 4 or 5 concussions can create a whole slew of medical problems. Most people do not die instantly from a broken neck. More times than not they have more damage done by personnel that are not properly trained on moving a person with a broken neck. Does it happen? Yes. But very rarely. And on a side note, I am surprised that window nets are not required in all classes. I race USAR modified and if you don't have a window net don't even start your car in the pits, because you're not racing that night. Of course, they don't require gloves for protection, which I find that odd. Seems to me that falls right in there with wearing a helmet, fire retardant suit and shoes, and safety harness.

[STRONGERTHANDIRT]

I assume there will be an autopsy?

[Waldo]

I don't think racing gloves are even Mandatory in Nascar. It seems everybody has them but I don't think they are Mandatory.

[ClampedUp]

I don't think racing gloves are even Mandatory in Nascar. It seems everybody has them but I don't think they are Mandatory.

Yes they are...
Ryan Blaney got his butt chewed out by NASCAR for not wearing them in practice at Darlington a couple weeks back.

[plunks7]

We all could talk about how to make it safer. And I have to believe the Higher Powers with in talk just like we do. Some times you never have a answer for something that went wrong. And if you even start to second guess your self. That could be where all the troubles could begin. This was a very unfortunate accident that went wrong. And this will not be the last!! Their are things in one's life we have no control of. As Bobby did mention to his Wife, We care and cry for you. This is the route that we all should be looking at!!!!!!!!!

[rakracing]

always thought from day one head and neck device needs to be progressive , much like a fall restraint system that stitches tear at certain g forces, I love the containment seat up to the halo, would prefer the old stye kirkey head support and a window net. secondly, these chassis builder have no rules any tubing ,any thickness ,cages to small and to low if nascar or nhra tested and controlled this 1990s cars would win again, anyone dumped a late model on its cage that wasn't totaled? check out the rules if you want to build a asphalt whelen modified frame.

[rakracing]

had a fellow driver and friend killed in a latemodel in 2001, big pileup he slid in drivers side first and the rear bumper from other car came in window and got him in the head, car was the least damaged of all of them. maybe the deck support bar got him and not the wall, by 81's account that's what it sounds like.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Tracks step up safety????

Did they really?

Tell us all about it.

[Cardirt0]

Go see the 2016 vid of the World 100 posted too day,,
But if look at that Vid... See how little room there is for his head from the top of the car.. If that cage gives even a little it would hit his head... Or if he was setting on his side, how little there is too stop a car from getting too him...If the other car hit the roof...

[BloomerHarvickFan]

I say move the seats 6" in toward the center of the car, and raise the rollcage by 3 or 4"

[Cardirt0]

I say move the seats 6" in toward the center of the car, and raise the rollcage by 3 or 4"

I Say Yes and YES... Plus,, some bars need too be added to the top. maybe Just add a 2nd loop of bars up 1in or so there is more bars that have to bend too get to him... That way you could up grade the old cars too be safer...