WoO Speedweeks Drug Tests

[Birky15Bfan]

Guess if you're a driver, don't eat any muffins or anything else with poppy seeds on it before you go racing. Don't want to test positive for heroin because of the poppy seeds.

[plunks7]

Please tell me you don't know from experience plunks.......

Sorry Barbecueboy, I was pulled over twice within 3 months. That's why I quit drinking 11 years ago. Haven't touched a single drink (alcohol) since. I hope that doesn't hold a different image about me?

[flagone]

I don't have any skin in the game but a couple of points.

Everyone does realize that they are using an independent contractor for the testing right?

With a contractor of this sort they choose the RANDOM test subjects from a list by some means of random selection (drawing numbers, ss #, birth months, etc.).

WoO can request a test be performed on anyone and that person has the right to refuse to take it (as do the random selections). Which also gives WoO the right to not allow the person to enter their event.

No Constitutional rights are violated as you have a right to refuse the test. And you are choosing to enter the event. By entering the event you agree to abide by the rules of the event. And that rule is spelled out in the WoO rulebook pretty clearly.

And I am amazed by some folks with the urban myths. You would need to eat about 75,000 poppy seeds to even get a glint of evidence on a UDS. Also today's UDS analyzers are very sophisticated and almost never have a false positive. And when it does it is easily refuted by a blood analysis or a strand test. I work for a hospital system and am very familiar with the machine and it's accuracy. I am certain that a contractor who makes their living on these screenings will have the most up to date and accurate equipment. Because no company wants a false positive and the issues that come a long with it.

[a25rjr]

Sorry Barbecueboy, I was pulled over twice within 3 months. That's why I quit drinking 11 years ago. Haven't touched a single drink (alcohol) since. I hope that doesn't hold a different image about me?

Not the drinking part, but the blowing part!

[plunks7]

Not the drinking part, but the blowing part!

Very funny smarty pants.

[pap]

I don't have any skin in the game but a couple of points.

Everyone does realize that they are using an independent contractor for the testing right?

With a contractor of this sort they choose the RANDOM test subjects from a list by some means of random selection (drawing numbers, ss #, birth months, etc.).

WoO can request a test be performed on anyone and that person has the right to refuse to take it (as do the random selections). Which also gives WoO the right to not allow the person to enter their event.

No Constitutional rights are violated as you have a right to refuse the test. And you are choosing to enter the event. By entering the event you agree to abide by the rules of the event. And that rule is spelled out in the WoO rulebook pretty clearly.

And I am amazed by some folks with the urban myths. You would need to eat about 75,000 poppy seeds to even get a glint of evidence on a UDS. Also today's UDS analyzers are very sophisticated and almost never have a false positive. And when it does it is easily refuted by a blood analysis or a strand test. I work for a hospital system and am very familiar with the machine and it's accuracy. I am certain that a contractor who makes their living on these screenings will have the most up to date and accurate equipment. Because no company wants a false positive and the issues that come a long with it.

I was hoping you would chime in, because I know you have the knowledge. And thank you, btw. Now, to the question, is there a test that can tell if a person is impaired at the time of peeing, and not what they done last wednesday? And is it an instant check, by that will the test show the results "right now" and not Monday of next week, like a lot of test seem to do. The reason for the question? If a driver is impaired, I would not want him racing tonight. It should be an instant test, and not sent to a lab. Futher questions, on your response. And this is in all RESPECT for you Flagone.

[Barbecueboy]

I didn't laugh when I originally read it but now I'm cryin

I thought I was the only one rolling .....funny stuff

[Barbecueboy]

Sorry Barbecueboy, I was pulled over twice within 3 months. That's why I quit drinking 11 years ago. Haven't touched a single drink (alcohol) since. I hope that doesn't hold a different image about me?

Nobody likes a quitter bro......


Totally kidding, nothing in the world wrong with you grabbing control of your life and telling alcohol to gfy.......admirable indeed, good on you.

[Barbecueboy]

I don't have any skin in the game but a couple of points.

Everyone does realize that they are using an independent contractor for the testing right?

With a contractor of this sort they choose the RANDOM test subjects from a list by some means of random selection (drawing numbers, ss #, birth months, etc.).

WoO can request a test be performed on anyone and that person has the right to refuse to take it (as do the random selections). Which also gives WoO the right to not allow the person to enter their event.

No Constitutional rights are violated as you have a right to refuse the test. And you are choosing to enter the event. By entering the event you agree to abide by the rules of the event. And that rule is spelled out in the WoO rulebook pretty clearly.

And I am amazed by some folks with the urban myths. You would need to eat about 75,000 poppy seeds to even get a glint of evidence on a UDS. Also today's UDS analyzers are very sophisticated and almost never have a false positive. And when it does it is easily refuted by a blood analysis or a strand test. I work for a hospital system and am very familiar with the machine and it's accuracy. I am certain that a contractor who makes their living on these screenings will have the most up to date and accurate equipment. Because no company wants a false positive and the issues that come a long with it.

Whew............I love poppy seed muffins, crisis avoided.

I guess for me it's the whole impairment issue and what it is that the sanction, the employer the whatever is trying to have someone believe impairment is at the time of the testing or event that led to it.

If they would just call it the random" we are doing it primarily for insurance and any potential ambulance chasing litigation that comes from a wreck, a fall, a mishap testing, then i think everybody would understand the reasons why it's done at employers and everywhere else.

thanks for clearing up the poppyseed deal, I was fretting breakfast in the morning,lol.

Nice job at screven, y'all's team put on a great show.......cool story, after the late models we all went back up in the stands to watch the 4 cylinder race and right when it started up came Chris madden , his wife and his son and they sat behind us and cheered and jeered the race like all the rest of the great race fans there.

Was just like any other family with younguns at the track and having a great time.....nice to see.

[dirtdobber45]

okay. plunks7: I know exactly what you meant. however...considering the board we are on, any mention of "zero" has a different connotation.or maybe i'm the only one with a twisted sense of humor and mind.sorry. but I laughed when I read your post.

I cant stop laughing man.

[dirtdobber45]

Not the drinking part, but the blowing part!

Lmao that also is a good one

[NormP]

You have to blow zero to get out of jail. Yes they test you before you can leave.

That probably varies state to state. It isn't the case in Kentucky.

And by the way, it is not a violation of your constitutional rights. You are free to refuse the test. In return, the sanctioning body is then free to refuse your admittance into the race.

With an operator's license it's a different story, at least in Kentucky. When you get a driver's license, you are "deemed to have given consent" to an intoxilzer, blood test, urine test, or any combination the officer feels necessary when he arrests you for DUI. If at that point you refuse, your license will automatically be suspended. But that's dealing with drivers on the road, not someone at a race track being asked by WoO (or Lucas or ULMS or whoever sanctions the race) to take a pee test.

[flagone]

Obviously I cannot and do not speak for WRG/WoO however if I were looking at the screens THC really wouldn't be on my radar screen by itself. It can be acquired by 2nd hand smoke and it is also legal in some states. Therefore any attempt at any penalties for THC could prove to be a tough row to hoe.

However drugs like amphetamine and methamphetamine; barbiturates; opiates and the like would raise a red flag for me. It is perfectly okay for a sanctioning body to choose to not want anyone racing who tests positive for these to compete in one of their events. Because they have residual and many times long-lasting effects as well as habitual / dependence issues. You can't predict when someone who has a habit will use and to what level they will be impaired.

But again, I can't speak for their motivation. This would be my assumption however. And as much as conspiracy theorists want to say otherwise, I believe that they are doing it in the spirit of protecting drivers, fans and employees.

In regards to the testing. I don't know what machine they used because I am not familiar with the company that did the testing. The machine that we use at our hospital takes about 8 minutes to analyze a single UDS sample.

[Barbecueboy]

flagone is all over it.......again.

My opinion of opioids , methamphetamaines etc is much different than it is of thc or alcohol.........but to the point of safety , I don't want a guy shooting Jack Daniels or polishing off a blunt 30 minutes before he hits the track either.

I guess I wouldn't be so jaded on the whole aspect of the testing if it truly indicated current real time sobriety.....they just don't appear to be set up to measure that unless the person just happens to be stoned or drunk when the test is administered. ......it's a very hard subject.

My take on what woo is doing? Great with it and hope it's for the reasons of safety as stated.

[flagone]

Oh and BBQ thanks for the Screven love. My guys worked hard to get everything done at a decent hour. We wanted to try and keep as much of that crowd to watch our FWD guys. They race their guts out and they generally can put on a good show. Andrew pretty well stunk it up at the front but there was good racing through the field.

Glad you enjoyed your time there.