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The leaders take the white flag and there is a spin in turn 2. The leaders come to the stand and the flagman pulls the checkered flag back and dont throw it. They make 1 lap under caution and come back around and the flag man waves the yellow and checkered at the same time. What is the right call? Should the race have ended like that or should they have lined back up and had a green checkered finish? I know what my opinion is just curious as to what everyone else thinks.
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I think the question is when did the car spin in turn 2? Were the leaders racing toward a spun out car in turn 2? If so, then caution was probably the right call. If the spun out car had taken the white they should have let them race back. Either way, no one appreciates the yellow and the checker together in any fashion. If they had to throw the caution, it should have been green/white together or regular green white checker -
The spin was behind the leaders. They where about half way down the backstretch when the car spun in turn 2. The flagman had the checkered in his hand but when the cars came off turn 4 he pulled it back and didnt throw it but he turned the caution lights on on the track. They made one lap and come back around and he threw the yellow and the checkered together. In my opinion he threw the caution by turning on the caution lights even though he didnt throw the flag. I feel like it should have been a green checkered finish and not finished the way that it did.Comment
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I've always seen it lined back up for a shootoutComment
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When leader takes white flag next flag ends the race.. it saves people money because you don't have some hero in 15th think he can win it on a GWC and wad half the field upComment
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Do what the rules say. How hard is that?Comment
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Your not supposed to throw the yellow on the white flag lap.Comment
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Finish the race.
I've seen other tracks do this. It makes me wanna climb up the flag stand and choke the stupid out of the flag man.
Unless the car/wreck is in the direct path of the leaders. You finish the lap.Comment
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throw the caution and checked together in my opinion.Comment
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Race back to the checkered flag !Comment
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Just my opinion, but if a spinning car would warrant a caution on lap #1, it doesn't matter if it's the white flag lap, it should still be a caution. Otherwise it doesn't warrant a caution on lap #1 either.
While the idea of racing back to the checker has been around forever, there are a lot more cars on the track than just the leader. If there are any cars on the track that could run into the corner with a car sitting there, it warrants a caution IMO. What's worse, having a GWC or seeing some guy in 15th and the spun car both crashed and guys potentially injured? 2 more laps on the track for everyone isn't going to kill their budgets.
Personally, I think if a yellow comes out, IMO, you go to a GWC period. No race should end under caution, it's not fair to the fans (remember, not everyone is a hardcore fan, and you should be balancing the needs of the racers, fans, sponsors, partners and promotors and not catering to any one particular group, it takes them all to make racing successful. Cater to just one group and all of sudden you have empty grandstands (just ask NASCAR how catering only to TV partners has worked out for them).
IMO, it should also be a single file restart anytime there are 5 laps or less left in the race. This makes it more fair for the racers IMO. Having a double file restart with only a lap or 2 left in the race is asking for another caution IMO.Comment
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IMHO, after the white flag, the caution should ONLY be thrown if the track is blocked for the leaders before they get to the flagstand or the wreck is on the front stretch. In this case, the flagman should have thrown the checkered and yellow together thereby ending the race, but also warning of the potential hazard in turn 2. I agree with those who have well said that other scenarios end up causing more problems than they solve.Comment
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That almost cost Erb 100k last year, if anyone remembers that.
I can see both sides of it I guess, if there's a wreck in front of the leaders, let the yeller fly. But like in Erbs case, it was more than a 3/4ths of a lap behind, go with it. I'd been ready to tear someones head off coming off turn 4 and seeing the light blinking knowing I'm about collect a pile of greenbacks.Comment
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If he threw the yellow and not the checkered flag, then technically there is still one more green flag lap to be completed. Sounds to me like the fans got robbed!Comment
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In that scenario the OP mentioned, it should be checkered w/yellow.Comment
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