Rumley question

[joshroth14]

late in 2014 Bloomquist and Penske found something and dominated at the end of the year. Bloomquist won the World 100, DTWC, Jackson 100, and 4 other races in the last month and a half and broke at Knoxville on the last lap with a straight away lead and Lucas took away his shocks at the start of the 2015 season and outlawed them because everyone complained so Lucas is pretty consistent with keeping everyone on a level playing field.

[racingfool32]

late in 2014 Bloomquist and Penske found something and dominated at the end of the year. Bloomquist won the World 100, DTWC, Jackson 100, and 4 other races in the last month and a half and broke at Knoxville on the last lap with a straight away lead and Lucas took away his shocks at the start of the 2015 season and outlawed them because everyone complained so Lucas is pretty consistent with keeping everyone on a level playing field.

Wasn't that more about cost?

The prettied up CJ Rayburn device from the 70's was a couple hundred dollars.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

If you don't think the majority of teams were b!tching about what they were doing, I dunno what to tell ya. Now they know how Bloomer feels every time he does something they outlaw.

You mean like holding his hand out to Penske? He is no engineer.

Yes, CBR and others cried. Bloomer gained the most from outlawing steel and heim joints and basic mechanical thinking.

[Josh Bayko]

Wasn't that more about cost?

The prettied up CJ Rayburn device from the 70's was a couple hundred dollars.

Yeah, the inerters were banned because they're extraordinarily expensive.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

late in 2014 Bloomquist and Penske found something and dominated at the end of the year. Bloomquist won the World 100, DTWC, Jackson 100, and 4 other races in the last month and a half and broke at Knoxville on the last lap with a straight away lead and Lucas took away his shocks at the start of the 2015 season and outlawed them because everyone complained so Lucas is pretty consistent with keeping everyone on a level playing field.

That was strictly cost containment. And should have been done. If there was interest in fair, level playing field, any new equipment built by a corporation would not be allowed without disclosure. Team Rocket proved that motive false last year. Despite rules that state new items must be pre-approved, they ran those air springs.

[Highwayman]

That was strictly cost containment. And should have been done. If there was interest in fair, level playing field, any new equipment built by a corporation would not be allowed without disclosure. Team Rocket proved that motive false last year. Despite rules that state new items must be pre-approved, they ran those air springs.

...but that's Rocket, they're special.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

You mean like holding his hand out to Penske? He is no engineer.

Yes, CBR and others cried. Bloomer gained the most from outlawing steel and heim joints and basic mechanical thinking.

Just go with it then. You've always had a boner for Bloomer and Rocket, as a few others do.

Not everything outlawed is based solely on the cost of the part. It's based on is it readily available, them air shocks are, as was the ones Bloomer held his hand out to run. Are they expensive, he!! yeah, dirt late model is ridiculously expensive. Why was he the first to hold his hand out to Penske? What was stopping anyone else from doing it? Nothing, but they aren't ok with you because they cost a lot and Bloomer tried them first.

No one but Kevin could get his contraption we are still talking about to work correctly. That is why it was nixed. And it was just as good as anything anyone else ever had. The consistency it gave JD, it spoke for itself. I'm a JD fan, so by no means am I downplaying him as a driver, he's dam good. But whatever they were doing made him untouchable unless he stepped on his wiener or broke.

Of course it wasn't fair, life ain't fair. He rubbed Lucas wrong, and they fixed it. And for such a simple device that you downplay, how come not everyone had them and had it working correctly? Was the design simple, looked to be, getting it to actually work correctly, evidently wasn't. Or everyone within months woulda had it and caught up with them.

I know you'll come back with Lucas is the devil, Bloomer is the poster child of Lucas, and they should let back in Kevin's heim joints lol, but time to move on.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Just go with it then. You've always had a boner for Bloomer and Rocket, as a few others do.

Not everything outlawed is based solely on the cost of the part. It's based on is it readily available, them air shocks are, as was the ones Bloomer held his hand out to run. Are they expensive, he!! yeah, dirt late model is ridiculously expensive. Why was he the first to hold his hand out to Penske? What was stopping anyone else from doing it? Nothing, but they aren't ok with you because they cost a lot and Bloomer tried them first.

No one but Kevin could get his contraption we are still talking about to work correctly. That is why it was nixed. And it was just as good as anything anyone else ever had. The consistency it gave JD, it spoke for itself. I'm a JD fan, so by no means am I downplaying him as a driver, he's dam good. But whatever they were doing made him untouchable unless he stepped on his wiener or broke.

Of course it wasn't fair, life ain't fair. He rubbed Lucas wrong, and they fixed it. And for such a simple device that you downplay, how come not everyone had them and had it working correctly? Was the design simple, looked to be, getting it to actually work correctly, evidently wasn't. Or everyone within months woulda had it and caught up with them.

I know you'll come back with Lucas is the devil, Bloomer is the poster child of Lucas, and they should let back in Kevin's heim joints lol, but time to move on.

Those shocks were not available at all in 2016 except a couple cars. Early this year, you had to sign a secret agreement and have an XR1.

As for Kevin's deal, it was mechanical. Anyone could make it. Some seemed to catch on. It isn't his fault they were dumb. Just admit you support the good ole boys club.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

You mean like holding his hand out to Penske? He is no engineer.

Yes, CBR and others cried. Bloomer gained the most from outlawing steel and heim joints and basic mechanical thinking.

Those shocks were not available at all in 2016 except a couple cars. Early this year, you had to sign a secret agreement and have an XR1.

As for Kevin's deal, it was mechanical. Anyone could make it. Some seemed to catch on. It isn't his fault they were dumb. Just admit you support the good ole boys club.

Then maybe you should become a tech guy, to stop the vast conspiracy to further the Rocket chassis advancement.

And again, you keep saying anyone could have it. Obviously no one did. And you're correct, it isn't his fault the powers to be put it to him. But he rubbed their nose in it, plus stunk up the show, and forced their hand per se. There is always someone higher up the food chain than you, so you gotta watch the hand that feeds you and not pi$$ them off too bad.

Lol. I support calling things as I see them, don't give a sh!t about any club or whether I'm popular with anyone ever, just don't care. I think you just caught a case of pot and kettle. You want them to be allowed free rein to do anything, long as it doesn't come from a corporation, and/or the end result doesn't cost a lot of money. So the actual proverbial good ole boys club.

I just understand the way things work. And it ain't fair or right a lot. But it is what it is. You don't like it, be a tech guy, start your own Free Kevin Rumley series. If not, then you work within the sandbox the powers to be give you. And if you sh!t in the sandbox too much, they'll scoop you out and smack your hand.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Then maybe you should become a tech guy, to stop the vast conspiracy to further the Rocket chassis advancement.

And again, you keep saying anyone could have it. Obviously no one did. And you're correct, it isn't his fault the powers to be put it to him. But he rubbed their nose in it, plus stunk up the show, and forced their hand per se. There is always someone higher up the food chain than you, so you gotta watch the hand that feeds you and not pi$$ them off too bad.

Lol. I support calling things as I see them, don't give a sh!t about any club or whether I'm popular with anyone ever, just don't care. I think you just caught a case of pot and kettle. You want them to be allowed free rein to do anything, long as it doesn't come from a corporation, and/or the end result doesn't cost a lot of money. So the actual proverbial good ole boys club.

I just understand the way things work. And it ain't fair or right a lot. But it is what it is. You don't like it, be a tech guy, start your own Free Kevin Rumley series. If not, then you work within the sandbox the powers to be give you. And if you sh!t in the sandbox too much, they'll scoop you out and smack your hand.

The sport was built on guys building stuff in their shop. Yes, simple mechanical things built with simple tools are much different than $18k shock absorbers. I call it as I see it. You can't sit and say there was something wrong with what Kevin did while Richards has Keyser build him an air spring in secret.

[Josh Bayko]

The sport was built on guys building stuff in their shop. Yes, simple mechanical things built with simple tools are much different than $18k shock absorbers. I call it as I see it. You can't sit and say there was something wrong with what Kevin did while Richards has Keyser build him an air spring in secret.

The Rocket air setup is actually cheaper than conventional shocks. There is a pretty big difference between than that and inerters.

[Hovlane]

Rumley's device increased mechanical grip which enabled Davenport to pass cars overcoming the current issues of the Areo dependant dirt late model. Areo grip vs. Mechanical grip he found a way to make mechanical grip pass cars and win. So he finds a way to lessen the Areo advantage that the elite teams had and the powers to be banned it. Didn't seem to me that in 2015 that Davenport's car was Areo Dependant.... considering it didn't matter where he started front row or back row he could pass.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

The Rocket air setup is actually cheaper than conventional shocks. There is a pretty big difference between than that and inerters.

Correct. That isn't my argument there. It was ran in secret when things must be approved first.

[Josh Bayko]

Correct. That isn't my argument there. It was ran in secret when things must be approved first.

How are you so sure it wasn't approved by the WoO?

[bb14]

The issue that my mb is trying to get across is not the cost but the availability. Rumley was outlawed because he was the only one that had it and would not share it. Rocket had a shock that no one else could get it. Why do you think Clinton left Integra and went to Penske.

Rocket gets away with it but that is ok. Lucas has been hypocritical but it seems afraid of Richards. He should have been banned for physically confronting the guy at Ocala because if someone pushed him or Josh they certainly would have been banned.