Knoxville A and B main?

[huskerdirt]

I'm glad they tried to push the show through on Sat to get it in before the rain.
With that being said, I do think that the admission price on Saturday is a bit high for what you get in return, especially if you can only attend Saturday.
I don't know what the answer is but maybe locking in 16 cars instead of 24 and having a couple of B mains on Sat, or maybe go to Eldora's format and the prelims seed heat races on Sat?
Having this race so close to Eldora definitely attributes to fans being able to do Saturday only, some tweaking needs to be done in consideration of that aspect.

I don't think there's a clear cut answer. Obviously if the car count was up this wouldn't even be a discussion. IMO, they need to put some more money into the purse to justify to get these guys to start coming back. They haven't put a dime into the purse in 10 years. Wasn't the comment made if fans kept supporting, they would try and make it bigger. It was good 4-5 years ago when 75 plus were there. Now I think it's gotten stale. That, along with every Tom, (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) and Harry thinking they need a 3k-5k to win show is also hurting the count.

When Steve Francis won, the track was slick and slow to the tune 24 plus seconds a lap. Now, that thing hooked up and on the wood. This is why the fuel was never an issue before last year. They need to slow it down some. They were hitting 17.2 in TTs. The track record is 16.6, that was set 10 years ago after that down pour. No way should the late models be within a second of the track record on a place that big under normal conditions.

I don't think adding a support class is the answer. I was there when they had A mods and it seemed more hinderance than anything else.

[muddy mike]

yeah i knew that to idiot. whats your point to just blindly support knoxville no matter what. so because your happy with it screw everybody else they arent allowed to have an opinion. im not even talking about myself im talking for a lot of people that could only make it saturday.

[TUTY]

There's a whole lot of problems with this event and obviously the car count was down. $7000 To Win Night 1 and 2 and I believe 25 lap A-Mains. Love how I-80 has double Heats Night 1. Who says the Knoxville LM Nationals needs to be 3 days?. What happens next year if they have 48 cars Night 1 and Lose 5 cars for Night 2? Speaking of Cedar Lake yes they ran 2 B-Mains and a LC Qualifier. I pay to watch races and they also had 30 or so NASCAR LM's.

[huskerdirt]

yeah i knew that to idiot. whats your point to just blindly support knoxville no matter what. so because your happy with it screw everybody else they arent allowed to have an opinion. im not even talking about myself im talking for a lot of people that could only make it saturday.

Less than two weeks ago, I made the comment that it seemed Knoxville had "mailed it in" regarding the late models Nationals and the effort behind it.

I'm not blindly supporting anything.......

[cgrace]

i am very very grateful there is NO SUPPORT CLASS. thank you to knoxville for getting the show in on Sat and thanks for no support classes. also pretty sure they have a decent payout for the drivers, so i don't mind paying a bit more if that''s what's needed

[TUTY]

LM's r a tough deal right now. The cost to run a car is crazy and the pay is the same. I don't know the answer ? The Masters at Cedar Lake changed to USMTS Mods for $50,000 to win and they only got about 65 cars. There was a time at Deer Creek Speedway got 120 USRA A-Mods and 50 drivers came from Louisiana, Texas and all over for the Fall Jamboree. Now 70 cars would be good.

[tiger]

Husker, I think it was a good show and all, but I really do wish they could find a way to get more Racing on Saturday night. If there would not have been a Rain delay Saturday night they might not have had an hour and a 45 minutes from the National Anthem to the Checkered Flag and for me that's not really the bang for the buck.

I don't know about you but I really think they made a mistake moving the race up week. Being the week after the World is hard on fans, and also on drivers. And that statement is coming from a a guy who normally couldn't go when it was at the later date. We are usually combining by then.

I really think Eldora struck gold with they're current format, Its great for fans, you get a ton of racing every night, and good for Drivers, 48 guys make features and get money Fri/Sat and that has helped the car count there too. The format at Knoxville can be really hard to follow for the casual fan. Invert 8 cars in the heats then line them up by points for the feature but invert the top 8 again. I can't tell you how many people around me (cause they knew I'd know why) couldn't understand how guys could win a heat race and then be starting 16th in the feature.

I don't know what the answer is but it wouldn't hurt to do a little tweaking in the format. That being said if they did nothing different, I'd happily be there next year.

[huskerdirt]

Husker, I think it was a good show and all, but I really do wish they could find a way to get more Racing on Saturday night. If there would not have been a Rain delay Saturday night they might not have had an hour and a 45 minutes from the National Anthem to the Checkered Flag and for me that's not really the bang for the buck.

I don't know about you but I really think they made a mistake moving the race up week. Being the week after the World is hard on fans, and also on drivers. And that statement is coming from a a guy who normally couldn't go when it was at the later date. We are usually combining by then.

I really think Eldora struck gold with they're current format, Its great for fans, you get a ton of racing every night, and good for Drivers, 48 guys make features and get money Fri/Sat and that has helped the car count there too. The format at Knoxville can be really hard to follow for the casual fan. Invert 8 cars in the heats then line them up by points for the feature but invert the top 8 again. I can't tell you how many people around me (cause they knew I'd know why) couldn't understand how guys could win a heat race and then be starting 16th in the feature.

I don't know what the answer is but it wouldn't hurt to do a little tweaking in the format. That being said if they did nothing different, I'd happily be there next year.

Yeah, the Knoxville format is unique. Even I had to remind myself of guys getting there times back for the prelim features. John Anderson went from making the A to the back of B(got passed for 3rd) within a lap because he had a bad TT. That really sucks, imo.

Being the weekend after Eldora probably does hurt. Not directly because of Eldora, but all these regional series start back up again. WoO in the past has been basically done by Eldora/Knoxville. Now they got a 3 race swing because of rainouts this weekend.

I think tweaking the format, throwing some more money into the purse should probably be the first thing to do. Messing around with September dates isn't gonna work for a date change. Probably gotta go to May/June with that.

[fryefan]

They should run sprint cars (at least on Saturday) and start filling the place up. They are no where near filling the front stretch.

[MI Dirt Fan]

I would have liked to have seen a support class at East Bay winter Nationals. It does get a bit pricey with 4-5 heats, 1 maybe 2 B mains and a feature.

[huskerdirt]

They should run sprint cars (at least on Saturday) and start filling the place up. They are no where near filling the front stretch.

F--- No.

If I wanted to watch sprint cars I would've gone between April and August. God forbid Knoxville have a race that didn't involve the winged wonders.

[Kwd1253]

I think tweaking the format, throwing some more money into the purse should probably be the first thing to do. Messing around with September dates isn't gonna work for a date change. Probably gotta go to May/June with that.

May-june is sprint racing form WoO, Lucas. And in jun you have the dream. So it would be no different than be after world 100. Tell you truth they are better off doing it after the world 100 than the dream.

[BadlandsBandit12]

Good points by everyone, I think with all the rain we had sort of screwed some time up, I like my races getting done early. I thought about a support class and we used to have IMCA mods a few years back, I enjoyed it and would not mind it again. It is fun to see different types of cars on that big track.

I do however think they need to do some tweaking. I also think they need to bump the pay up. These guys are making money for sure. It was 290.00 for tickets and camping for me and my son.

[Zonks32x]

https://racingnews.co/2017/09/17/tyl...-moyer-sr/amp/

I didn't know they left until Saturday. Oddly enough the T shirt rig was still there and Moyer was there signing autographs, supposedly. This was a home race for the Moyers and they weren't buried that far down in the b main. IMO, they wouldn't leave this race willing.

This goes back to the Dirt Kings race at Plymouth. Those 2 mixed it up pretty good in the heat race and Moyer didn't like it and bumped Erb afterwards. I give the kid credit, he's not going to back down. He made it clear in tne interview there's no love loss.

Oh and Husker, you do your fair share of hype for I-80 and most of us don't have an issue with it. TUTY likes Cedar Lake, and clearly you don't. To each their own, but every time you two jump on the same thread, it's the same bull$#!@. Husker and Tuty, friends...just like Moyer and Tyler Erb.

[tsand]

Its all according to what the support class is. If it's a good modified race I don't mind but if its street stock or god help fwd 's I just rather just sit there and wait for the latemodels. That's what. I like about the World FInals plenty of racing to keep everybody happy.