Tire Cheating Thread of Shame

[Barbecueboy]

What year was that?

[Josh Bayko]

What year was that?

2008, back when Lucas was still using a sniffer

[Barbecueboy]

2008, back when Lucas was still using a sniffer

Well that's refreshing....they should re intro the sniffer.

The results from it are as reliable as the results from the NC foothills these days.

[Josh Bayko]

Well that's refreshing....they should re intro the sniffer.

The results from it are as reliable as the results from the NC foothills these days.

Nobody cared about any of this back when open tire rules ruled the roost. Just go back k to that.

[Barbecueboy]

Nobody cared about any of this back when open tire rules ruled the roost. Just go back k to that.

can I get an amen?

The whole tire thing is stupid.

[Josh Bayko]

can I get an amen?

The whole tire thing is stupid.

It is, but branded tire rules been going on for decades now. It’s never going away.

[flagone]

There is not a single driver or team owner that wants to have an open tire rule at least not any of them that have ever raced with those rules. The aforementioned series does not have a brand rule but a compound rule which allows both tire companies tires of equivalent compound to compete. The lab in the foothills of NC deals in science not conspiracies and opinions.

[PushinTheLimit]

I personally would like to see harsher penalties to anyone who fails tire tests. Test the top three in ALL series and do some random testing on the local level. I don't have time nor do I even want to think about cheating my tires. I can't speak for the labs that tests these tires in particular, but I work close with an organization that tests components/items down to the molecule level... and the results do not lie. The technology to test is there and anyone that thinks it isn't, you just haven't been looking in the right places.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

There is not a single driver or team owner that wants to have an open tire rule at least not any of them that have ever raced with those rules. The aforementioned series does not have a brand rule but a compound rule which allows both tire companies tires of equivalent compound to compete. The lab in the foothills of NC deals in science not conspiracies and opinions.

Allow me to speak up and be the exception. I want to pick my own tires. It is much better for a guy who mainly runs a few tracks with regularity. It's better for the local guy who has to deal with Brandon Sheppard too.

Only the guy who changes shock brands 3 times a year believes he needs 5 compounds, if allowed.

When rules force you to run the wrong tire, it usually becomes a 1 use tire. Guys who get freebies use the same amount, the working man now has to buy more instead of using it a second week.

[ZERO25]

There is not a single driver or team owner that wants to have an open tire rule at least not any of them that have ever raced with those rules. The aforementioned series does not have a brand rule but a compound rule which allows both tire companies tires of equivalent compound to compete. The lab in the foothills of NC deals in science not conspiracies and opinions.

Kelly, most us know the testing procedure is spot on, although we dont know the tolerances the lab is told to account for, if any! The problem is the benchmarks Hoosier submits. We are allowed know information concerning those!

[flagone]

Kelly, most us know the testing procedure is spot on, although we dont know the tolerances the lab is told to account for, if any! The problem is the benchmarks Hoosier submits. We are allowed know information concerning those!

They submit a sample for each date code batch. Any time there is a change in formulation they send a new sample. Blue Ridge keeps those runs on file and compares them to the submitted samples from competitors.

[flagone]

Allow me to speak up and be the exception. I want to pick my own tires. It is much better for a guy who mainly runs a few tracks with regularity. It's better for the local guy who has to deal with Brandon Sheppard too.

Only the guy who changes shock brands 3 times a year believes he needs 5 compounds, if allowed.

When rules force you to run the wrong tire, it usually becomes a 1 use tire. Guys who get freebies use the same amount, the working man now has to buy more instead of using it a second week.

Then you are a rare exception. You would realistically need a minimum of 10 tires. Because you are gonna bolt on 1100s to qualify. You are gonna change at least 2 for the heat and likely 4 for the feature. Then the question becomes do I need this right rear or the other one. By the time its all said and done you need 25-30 different tires and wheels mounted. Its just too much man. I dealt with it for a lot of years in my SAS days and it was by far the number one complaint from racers and teams.

People can say whatever they want but our 2 compound in the SE has been very good. We have 3 or 4 series all on the same 2.

[ZERO25]

They submit a sample for each date code batch. Any time there is a change in formulation they send a new sample. Blue Ridge keeps those runs on file and compares them to the submitted samples from competitors.

Thats a generic Hoosier answer!

When the batch codes are kept secret like the nuclear codes of our defense dept, surely you can see why racers think the process is very shady!

Also, when the tests come back, all we see is......the tire conforms or doesn't to the benchmark. How about explaining why it doesn't and what is the % tolerance of those substances?

[NeedforLMspeed]

Big bust in the open wheel department

https://sprintcarandmidget.com/usac/leary-cops-gas-city-dq-usac-suspension/

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Thats a generic Hoosier answer!

When the batch codes are kept secret like the nuclear codes of our defense dept, surely you can see why racers think the process is very shady!

Also, when the tests come back, all we see is......the tire conforms or doesn't to the benchmark. How about explaining why it doesn't and what is the % tolerance of those substances?

I want to see the suspect chemicals too. So I know how to cheat.