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  • Late_Model_Mark
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2007
    • 2321

    #1

    WoO Lie Detecter Tests

    Looks like the WoO LM Series will have lie detector tests available for those teams found with juiced tires. It appears that the driver, crew chief, and tire man will all have to take the test if they disagree with the results. It will cost I believe $550 each!



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  • Highside Hustler25
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 12912

    #2
    I didn't think a lie detector test was submissible in a court of law but maybe the laws have changed. But if the case still, how can they claim the test is relevant in deciding guilt or innocence. They're not foolproof.
    Either way, if you pass the lie detector test, are you free of charges?
    8/13/16

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    • FatPharmer
      Member
      • Aug 2017
      • 46

      #3
      It won't hold up in court but it is a private business so they can do what they choose

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      • CIRF
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2007
        • 8122

        #4
        Yep. A lie detector test isn't admissible in official court proceedings. However, as FatPharmer said the way the WoO's will be using the LDT's they will not be part of official court proceedings and will be used for their own information and determining guilt or innocence.

        It's not a bad idea on the surface, but administering LDT's has the potential to open cans of worms that they maybe hadn't counted upon. On the same token, I'm sure they have several shyster lawyer's on retainer that have looked into eventualities that may arise.

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        • CageFaraday
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2017
          • 685

          #5
          Only if they take one as well, with public announcement of results.
          “Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.” — The Dude

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          • dirtcrazy4u
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2017
            • 3212

            #6
            550 a test. So, if the results come back you have failed the lab test but passed the lie detector test. Me personally, until something is officially released by the WoO. I would say someone's tongue is dipped in dirt. Legally, I think if the above happens. Teams that where previously guilty are going to sue there pants off.

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            • Bubstr
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 3734

              #7
              If BS was snow flakes, we would have the biggest blizzard of the century here. If tech was honest to start with, and stated the dastardly chemical that was found in the tire and it was a above board A B A test with back up and made public, there would never have been a problem. If your going to make a detergent or WD40 , something you would clean hands or parts with, don't say it's a safety thing. If it is one of the chemicals that gives liver cancer from touching or breathing, ban them for life. If you judge the racer in front of the fans, show what your judging on. Since it was a safety rule the contaminate better not be some cleaner we use every day or eat. If it's something like hexoclorithane, that has been banned for a long time, for any use, hang them. Just don't tell us simple green or oil of wintergreen are cancer causing agents. If Hoosier has a problem with tires lasting too long or not, that's their problem.

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              • race14
                Senior Member
                • May 2008
                • 307

                #8
                If they were confident in their tire testing this wouldn't be an option. Right?

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                • HoosierDirtFan
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 22186

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Late_Model_Mark View Post
                  Looks like the WoO LM Series will have lie detector tests available for those teams found with juiced tires. It appears that the driver, crew chief, and tire man will all have to take the test if they disagree with the results. It will cost I believe $550 each!



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                  • JabberJaws83
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 848

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
                    If BS was snow flakes, we would have the biggest blizzard of the century here. If tech was honest to start with, and stated the dastardly chemical that was found in the tire and it was a above board A B A test with back up and made public, there would never have been a problem. If your going to make a detergent or WD40 , something you would clean hands or parts with, don't say it's a safety thing. If it is one of the chemicals that gives liver cancer from touching or breathing, ban them for life. If you judge the racer in front of the fans, show what your judging on. Since it was a safety rule the contaminate better not be some cleaner we use every day or eat. If it's something like hexoclorithane, that has been banned for a long time, for any use, hang them. Just don't tell us simple green or oil of wintergreen are cancer causing agents. If Hoosier has a problem with tires lasting too long or not, that's their problem.
                    Great post.

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                    • Doc88D
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 170

                      #11
                      Isn't this exactly what those that have been caught in the past have asked for at the time?? Madden, Bloomquist, Owens & Feger all had mentioned taking a LDT. Now that its made as part of the WoO determination some of you with online law degrees holler that it isn't admissible. NO ONE said anything about court...
                      Doc
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                      • Waldo
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 444

                        #12
                        They have been giving Lie detector tests at Bass fishing tournaments for years, this is nothing new to me.

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                        • B_K
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2007
                          • 3236

                          #13
                          Easy to beat if you aren't an emotional wreck.

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                          • Josh Bayko
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2007
                            • 8734

                            #14
                            Just about every driver ever popped for tires always swears innocence and says something about taking a lie detector test to prove their innocence. Looks like the WoO is finally just telling them to put up or shut up. It will be interesting to see if anybody ever takes em up on it.
                            Last edited by Josh Bayko; 01-21-2018, 06:15 PM. Reason: Spelling
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                            • JabberJaws83
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 848

                              #15
                              Didn’t they have Mars take one after Bloomer whines about getting beat at the firecracker?

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