The costs of NASCAR

[Mams]

In my opinion NAPCAR races are not long enough. They should pattern themselves after the sports car endurance races with minimum of 6 hours. A 4-hour race is just too short with all that excitement. RIP NAPCAR!

[BloomerHarvickFan]

Wow 64K, dam.

Lucas Oil, per their website say 4.7mil up for grabs, on 61 A Main events.

Say 3 or 4 XR1 or Longhorns 50k each, trimmed out. Thats 200K

4 min Ry-45 Fords probably around 50k each, thats 200k

A Hauler for the road, new about 300k?

Fuel and Oil 15K

Wheels, spare parts etc etc 50k?

Crew costs, no idea, but say 2 guys full time 130k? Plus the Drivers deal, no idea.

Entry fees, pit passes etc? 10k?

Were close to a million to 1.5 million bucks. Thats no shop to work on the cars, and tools, pit lifts etc etc etc.

I just wonder how much the bigger sponsors really kick in to help these Teams along, and how much can be won. The math dont look to bad, considering Nascar LOL but its still alot on the line.

I am sure i am way off, but its ballpark ish.

That 4.7million is probably not a good number. I don't think that's the amount possible for any one driver. it looks like if you won every race and the championship, you'd earn just under 1.3 million dollars. (that's figuring the DM at 200k also)

[BloomerHarvickFan]

Where are you going to get these tracks? Are they still going to certain tracks multiple times? Sure there is tracks out there but remember they don't have enough accommodations and roads to handle the large amount of people for events. That's one reason why Kentucky never got a actual NASCAR cup date until just recently. Same thing with I think Iowa Speedway for example. Cup guys have said they'd love to race there but can't. The Xfinity and truck teams race there but they don't draw the crowds like the actual cup series would.

Well yeah, going to some tracks twice, like Bristol, Martinsville, Richmond, maybe throw in an old track like Wilkesboro or Rockingham (although its not a true short track).

Road courses would be easy. You have 2. You either add 2 more, such as Road America, or any other many that are out there, or do like Charlotte. If this is successful, I'd like to see them take at least one of the 1.5 mile tracks a year, and do this. Most of them already have infield roadcourses.

[BloomerHarvickFan]

Last year, the guy who earned the most in Lucas Oil was Richards with just under 400k.
The 4th place points finisher, Don O'neal only earned 195k.

These guys are spending way more than they are making, whether it's their money, or sponsor dollars.

[CIRF]

I don't know that Cup on a dirt mile would be all that. First couple years would be big crowds... but I'm just not convinced it'd be that great a race and keep people coming back.

I think it's better off to run at Eldora or Knoxville. The shorter tracks I think would bring better likelihood of good racing and keeping everyone close.
I don't know how many Knoxville seats; but Eldora would need more seats. But if you could get 50,000 seats that you can sell out every year at average price of $120 (ouch I know, but probably close to realistic) that would bring in 6 million dollars, and then you factor in TV money, and concessions... that might be enough to make it viable. (But it'd be a skin of teeth really.)

I've watched ARCA on the dirt miles (Springfield, Du Quoin and Indianapolis) for a long time and I've also watched video of the cup style stocker's from the early to mid 1980's (the first few USAC 4 Crown Nationals included the full bodied, full sized cup style stock cars) and it's clearly evident that the cup style stock cars put on a better show on the dirt mile's than the much shorter half miles. In fact, they can call it what they want, but Eldora is not a half mile but that is a whole other subject.

I fully admitted any dirt track, mile's or otherwise, for Cup is a pipe dream due to logistics and community and racetrack infrastructure. However, year after year those same cup style cars (ARCA) produce very good racing on the mile tracks. I know, I attend both Springfield and Du Quoin every year and have since I was just a kid.

[BloomerHarvickFan]

One of the problems with NASCAR on dirt is that they still make them run the same cars. The cars/trucks that NASCAR runs are not made for dirt. What they need to do, if they want to run dirt, is let the teams build dirt cars.
However you want to specify it, lay it out in the rule book.....Here are the rules for the dirt race.
This would be the only way a NASCAR dirt race would be very entertaining.

[CIRF]

One of the problems with NASCAR on dirt is that they still make them run the same cars. The cars/trucks that NASCAR runs are not made for dirt. What they need to do, if they want to run dirt, is let the teams build dirt cars.
However you want to specify it, lay it out in the rule book.....Here are the rules for the dirt race.
This would be the only way a NASCAR dirt race would be very entertaining.

The ARCA guys don't run dirt specific cars and they are very entertaining on the two dirt tracks. In fact the dirt track races are generally two of the most entertaining races on the ARCA schedule.

It would probably have to be a situation where if NASCAR was to diversify the Cup series to include dirt it would need to be similar to how the teams handle the road courses. Completely different cars on the outside but a whole different animal within the sheet metal. To allow generic dirt late model style cars in Cup just for a couple of races wouldn't be quite kosher.

Indy Car, or USAC back in the era prior to 1971 allowed dirt specific cars from the time the rear engine cars took over the asphalt tracks (around 1965) until they were forced to separate the dirt racing from the asphalt racing which took place back in 1970. We all know that didn't turn out well and they're still feeling the effects of that blunder all these years later.

Like I said before, it's all academic since it ain't gonna' happen but it's interesting and fun to contemplate.