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  • CIRF
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2007
    • 8122

    #31
    Originally posted by CageFaraday View Post
    We lets see, Bloomquist has won races in these brands:
    Rayburn
    Mastersbilt
    Warrior
    Barry Wright
    Zero

    add to that he's won with different suspension designs too: Mono-leafs & coils, 4-link and Swing arm


    Bloomquist isn't just a driver, he is a racer. What i mean is, he can do it all. I realize in open wheel that the cars are all so very similar that switching back and forth from brand to brand is less of an issue, but in DLM there is so much more that matters is regards to setup and design. Bloomquist not only is a legendary wheelman, but a superb setup man, a designer and strategist. Sprints run short races by nature and tend to be more rewarding to pure bravado, but most DLM crown jewels run longer races and require more than just laying the accelerator to the mat and throwing sliders for 30-40 laps. I'm not insulting sprinters, you know I love non-wing sprints, but it is a different style of racing. I know Bloomquist can win in any car, but not necessarily with just any setup under it, no one can.
    I agree with everything you say, Cage. Especially the part about pure bravado. The margin for error in the top echelon's of dirt open wheel racing is as thin as it gets and time and laps to get to the front are always in short supply. Excluding Silver Crown races in regards to time and laps since all but one of those races are 100 laps with no scheduled pit stops.

    Back on point.

    So you are of the opinion that ol' bloomy can win in most anyone else's DLM without spending any extra money if he can put his favored setup under him? Fair enough. Obviously he's much better than I ever thought.

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    • Dirt Racing #1
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2014
      • 879

      #32
      Here is a question.Bloomer drive someone’s else car. Not being a sweet bloomer chassisBut jd can’t have rumley set his car up.Who’s going to have more success?

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      • Cardirt0
        Banned
        • May 2007
        • 5271

        #33
        Originally posted by CIRF View Post
        I agree with everything you say, Cage. Especially the part about pure bravado. The margin for error in the top echelon's of dirt open wheel racing is as thin as it gets and time and laps to get to the front are always in short supply. Excluding Silver Crown races in regards to time and laps since all but one of those races are 100 laps with no scheduled pit stops.

        Back on point.

        So you are of the opinion that ol' bloomy can win in most anyone else's DLM without spending any extra money if he can put his favored setup under him? Fair enough. Obviously he's much better than I ever thought.
        Bloom gets out of the car after hot laps and say 3 to 10 words and the crew goes to work. This is why hes so good. been by his pit more the once and hes on top of it all the time.

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        • Dirt Racing #1
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2014
          • 879

          #34
          Pierce is good but still dangerous. Needs to learn to drive clean. He’s still young. Plus he needs to be effective in middle & bottom of the track

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          • CIRF
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2007
            • 8122

            #35
            Originally posted by CageFaraday View Post
            Yes, see above list. That's what makes him goat of dlm's, only Moyer can be mentioned in same category.
            I fixed the goat part for you, Cage! LOL!

            Learn something every day. I never knew ol' bloomy drove cars owned, prepared and maintained by someone else. I never knew, at some point in his career, that all he had to do was show up at the racetrack with his helmet bag and his talent.

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            • chupp n bloomer fan
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 11526

              #36
              Originally posted by CIRF View Post
              Thank you for expanding and clarifying the "G.O.A.T." thing as being specific to dirt late models. You'll get no dissension on that point from me or anyone else who has the least bit of background in DLM racing.

              Kyle Larson really has no bearing on this particular point. Although he has proven many times he can win in anything he drives from go-carts to the highest levels of prototype sports cars and stock cars. But, when a man is considered the best driver that's ever been, as is considered to be fact in reference to bloomy in most DLM racing circles, he probably could/should be able to win in a DLM other than his own. Or is that an unrealistic expectation? If it's unrealistic I'll gladly digress.
              Yes, Kyle Larson does have bearing. That is someone you think is very good, so can he win in just about every other sprint car? And yes, Bloomer could win in other cars. And again, a seriously ridiculous argument. I mean, since when do we discredit a guy because he has a hand in all aspects of his car? And has chosen to understand them through and through, and knows what he wants. Also, he has won in a ton of different chassis.
              Up in the air who my next “favorite” driver is. Really losing hope on Bloomer getting anywhere back to “normal”.

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              • Illtsate32
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2015
                • 3079

                #37
                Also the Driver/Crew/ Owner thing is obsolete in this day and age, I would assume guys like Scott, Billy, and a few others got as good with car setup, and just overall knowledge of how the car works by experimenting and trying different things, trial and errror...Now days the Chassis builders tell you, you must run this and that or else your car wont work. And if its not working bring it back to me and pay me money and I will fix it for you. People are scared to death to think outside the box and try different things to see if it works for you. That piece of steel doesnt have a brain or conscience, its not going to get mad at you for not running the setup its original owner said to lol...

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                • Cardirt0
                  Banned
                  • May 2007
                  • 5271

                  #38
                  Originally posted by chupp n bloomer fan View Post
                  Yes, Kyle Larson does have bearing. That is someone you think is very good, so can he win in just about every other sprint car? And yes, Bloomer could win in other cars. And again, a seriously ridiculous argument. I mean, since when do we discredit a guy because he has a hand in all aspects of his car? And has chosen to understand them through and through, and knows what he wants. Also, he has won in a ton of different chassis.
                  Thats why hes so good gets out of car and goes 6 pointed to front wheel and says 8 points back wheel move 20 pounds to back. just changed the shocks to were they will work for him. If you know how it works you can change how it works.

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                  • NormP
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 2262

                    #39
                    Wouldn't being able to work on cars, set up cars, whatever, make you closer to being the greatest? And isn't that what Bloomquist has done for a very long time now? That's a lot more impressive to me than hiring a guy, from North Carolina for instance, to do all the car work and you just show up and drive.

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                    • chupp n bloomer fan
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 11526

                      #40
                      Originally posted by CIRF View Post
                      I fixed the goat part for you, Cage! LOL!

                      Learn something every day. I never knew ol' bloomy drove cars owned, prepared and maintained by someone else. I never knew, at some point in his career, that all he had to do was show up at the racetrack with his helmet bag and his talent.
                      You have truly reached a new low. When you can’t go after someone’s success because it speaks for itself, you go after the fact they bust their ass to be the most prepared, and do it their way. Since when was doing things your way, and putting in countless hours every day, and looking for an edge, getting a car to be exactly what you want, a detriment?

                      Could he show up with a helmet bag and just jump in a car and win, who the hell knows, the right car, sure. Could Larson show up with just a helmet bag and win, sure. But really, such a senseless argument. I expect this outta maybe, well, no one, I’ll just stop there.
                      Up in the air who my next “favorite” driver is. Really losing hope on Bloomer getting anywhere back to “normal”.

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                      • chupp n bloomer fan
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 11526

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Cardirt0 View Post
                        Thats why hes so good gets out of car and goes 6 pointed to front wheel and says 8 points back wheel move 20 pounds to back. just changed the shocks to were they will work for him. If you know how it works you can change how it works.
                        Exactly. Truly just makes me go wtf?
                        Up in the air who my next “favorite” driver is. Really losing hope on Bloomer getting anywhere back to “normal”.

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                        • Cardirt0
                          Banned
                          • May 2007
                          • 5271

                          #42
                          Originally posted by NormP View Post
                          Wouldn't being able to work on cars, set up cars, whatever, make you closer to being the greatest? And isn't that what Bloomquist has done for a very long time now? That's a lot more impressive to me than hiring a guy, from North Carolina for instance, to do all the car work and you just show up and drive.
                          1 of the things to the Down fall of NASCAR drivers that can only drive.

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                          • Cardirt0
                            Banned
                            • May 2007
                            • 5271

                            #43
                            Originally posted by chupp n bloomer fan View Post
                            Exactly. Truly just makes me go wtf?
                            He knows what to tell his crew to change his car. Sorry if you did not get what i ment.

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                            • NormP
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 2262

                              #44
                              I'm not a Bloomer fan, but I like to watch him win because it drives some people absolutely crazy. So here you go Bloomer haters, something to occupy your time:

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                              • a25rjr
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2016
                                • 3774

                                #45
                                Originally posted by CageFaraday View Post
                                We lets see, Bloomquist has won races in these brands:
                                Rayburn
                                Mastersbilt
                                Warrior
                                Barry Wright
                                Zero

                                add to that he's won with different suspension designs too: Mono-leafs & coils, 4-link and Swing arm


                                Bloomquist isn't just a driver, he is a racer. What i mean is, he can do it all. I realize in open wheel that the cars are all so very similar that switching back and forth from brand to brand is less of an issue, but in DLM there is so much more that matters is regards to setup and design. Bloomquist not only is a legendary wheelman, but a superb setup man, a designer and strategist. Sprints run short races by nature and tend to be more rewarding to pure bravado, but most DLM crown jewels run longer races and require more than just laying the accelerator to the mat and throwing sliders for 30-40 laps. I'm not insulting sprinters, you know I love non-wing sprints, but it is a different style of racing. I know Bloomquist can win in any car, but not necessarily with just any setup under it, no one can.
                                Agree 100%.....with that being said , Bloomer's the greatest dirt driver.....EVER!!!

                                I preface that with my 50 years being involved with motorsports. My dad was on a Cup team for many years, and many of those early drivers stayed at our house during Speedweeks. In the late 80s, I started working on a dlm, and eventually in the early 90's wound up on a slm. I witnessed Bloomer dominate during that time and actually despised him for it. But that has turned to immense respect for what he has done as a driver and for the sport, and yet 30 years later, he's still the......man to beat!

                                Call me a nuthugger if you will, but I recognize greatness and will take it as a compliment!
                                Turn LEFT, Vote RIGHT!

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