Timothy Culp getting out of racing?

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Fact 1: More rules NEVER decrease the cost of racing. Look at IndyCar. That is complete spec class and it is super expensive. Makes late models look like bombers from a cost perspective. And don't get me started on F1. Tons of rules and regulations. Tens of millions of dollars to even get a seat at the table.

Fact 2: Not enforcing rules ALWAYS increases the cost of racing. If you have rule that says, "no widgets", and you throw out any car with a widget on it, nobody goes and spends money on widgets. But if you allow one or two guys to run widgets because you don't want to tick them off, then EVERYBODY has to go buy widgets to be competitive.

What the late model sanctions have done is quite a force multiplier by continuing to ADD more and more rules while simultaneously continuing to NOT enforce any of the rules that they have. Hell when was the last time you even saw something as simple as engine setback measured at the track. It's complete incompetence from the top down. It grew too big too fast with a lot of mismanagement the entire way. The sport hasn't had a real visionary at the top since Bob Memmer. Everything since then has been a series of carnival barkers. And this "council" that they created which consists only of people who stand to PROFIT by separating racers from their money is an absolute joke.

You have to have SOME rules but if you don't enforce them, adding more rules is stupid. And that's exactly what they continue to do. K.I.S.S. But they don't so we will all be kissing late model racing goodbye if someone doesn't step up with some serious leadership and leave everyone's' egos in the dust.

Ya know, I’d like to say I disagree with you somewhere, but, nope, spot on. Enforce the rules you have across the board, from Moyer and Bloomer, to Boggs and Carpenter.

[ThebigE]

Fact 1: More rules NEVER decrease the cost of racing. Look at IndyCar. That is complete spec class and it is super expensive. Makes late models look like bombers from a cost perspective. And don't get me started on F1. Tons of rules and regulations. Tens of millions of dollars to even get a seat at the table.

Fact 2: Not enforcing rules ALWAYS increases the cost of racing. If you have rule that says, "no widgets", and you throw out any car with a widget on it, nobody goes and spends money on widgets. But if you allow one or two guys to run widgets because you don't want to tick them off, then EVERYBODY has to go buy widgets to be competitive.

What the late model sanctions have done is quite a force multiplier by continuing to ADD more and more rules while simultaneously continuing to NOT enforce any of the rules that they have. Hell when was the last time you even saw something as simple as engine setback measured at the track. It's complete incompetence from the top down. It grew too big too fast with a lot of mismanagement the entire way. The sport hasn't had a real visionary at the top since Bob Memmer. Everything since then has been a series of carnival barkers. And this "council" that they created which consists only of people who stand to PROFIT by separating racers from their money is an absolute joke.

You have to have SOME rules but if you don't enforce them, adding more rules is stupid. And that's exactly what they continue to do. K.I.S.S. But they don't so we will all be kissing late model racing goodbye if someone doesn't step up with some serious leadership and leave everyone's' egos in the dust.

Unfortunately they are scared to enforce the laws on some but others they are all over them.

[ptown]

I've noticed on FB he's been selling a ton of stuff. His new 2018 XR1, his hauler etc. What's up with that?

Did Moyer hurt his feelings?

[GEAR_HEAD]

Nope. Racers are their own worst enemies when it comes to cost, and the part manufacturers are only feeding the demand set by the consumer. The only way sanctioning bodies can control costs is to spec parts (what IMCA has done to an extent), and then everyone b1tches about restricting innovation and ability to buy any part they want. Cost is a no win situation.

People with money are always going to buy $60,000 motors to win $1,200 weekly races. That will never change and there's no way to fix that. The sanctioning bodies can help control that though.

[ride height]

The costs for SLM is so over the top ridiculous, there is no way any normal middle class person can keep up. Even with decent sponsorship, it’s just off the charts expensive. Not enforcing rules will kill any type of racing. The tracks and sanctioning bodies are paying for it now. Racing is hard enough and takes years to “figure it out” if your a newbie, much less not enforcing rules. They get discouraged and quit. Thus have fewer enter the sport and it dies. Everyone loses. It sucks. It’s going to end up like pro sports....there will be 30 big name teams and that will be your SLM . They will travel around and put on a show. Provided there’s any tracks left to have a show. Sad.

[Flathead]

If he thinks cheating is bad in late models he's going to be in for a big surprise in a mod.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Sounds like the have nots get a thrill when the do haves falter.

[kidrock]

Fact 1: More rules NEVER decrease the cost of racing. Look at IndyCar. That is complete spec class and it is super expensive. Makes late models look like bombers from a cost perspective. And don't get me started on F1. Tons of rules and regulations. Tens of millions of dollars to even get a seat at the table.

Fact 2: Not enforcing rules ALWAYS increases the cost of racing. If you have rule that says, "no widgets", and you throw out any car with a widget on it, nobody goes and spends money on widgets. But if you allow one or two guys to run widgets because you don't want to tick them off, then EVERYBODY has to go buy widgets to be competitive.

What the late model sanctions have done is quite a force multiplier by continuing to ADD more and more rules while simultaneously continuing to NOT enforce any of the rules that they have. Hell when was the last time you even saw something as simple as engine setback measured at the track. It's complete incompetence from the top down. It grew too big too fast with a lot of mismanagement the entire way. The sport hasn't had a real visionary at the top since Bob Memmer. Everything since then has been a series of carnival barkers. And this "council" that they created which consists only of people who stand to PROFIT by separating racers from their money is an absolute joke.

You have to have SOME rules but if you don't enforce them, adding more rules is stupid. And that's exactly what they continue to do. K.I.S.S. But they don't so we will all be kissing late model racing goodbye if someone doesn't step up with some serious leadership and leave everyone's' egos in the dust.

Matt, you are spot on. It never makes sense to add more rules when you don't enforce the written rules you already have. For Promoters it's a double edge sword. You enforce the rules you piss some off and you potentially lose some drivers, you don't enforce the rules you potentially lose some drivers but, I believe you should enforce the rules.

[kidrock]

If he thinks cheating is bad in late models he's going to be in for a big surprise in a mod.

Or any other class for that matter

[GrocMax]

Culpuppy raced outlaw style mods for years in the ark-la-tex and OK regions. One of his better cars was an absolute frankenstein deal, one make front grafted onto a rear of another cause they were both wrecked bad.

[grt74]

here is the biggest problem with super lates, they are by far the most complex and engineered race car in motorsports, and that was said by a top engineer (f1, nascar, trophy truck guy)
and now that rumley fired the first shot, the top guys have picked up the pace, and i don't see any of that going away, even if they have rules enforced, or make new ones
so if your not willing to work and learn all of this stuff you'll fall behind quicker have to pay to keep up (and thats what most do) this game has become a never ending hunting trip

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

here is the biggest problem with super lates, they are by far the most complex and engineered race car in motorsports, and that was said by a top engineer (f1, nascar, trophy truck guy)
and now that rumley fired the first shot, the top guys have picked up the pace, and i don't see any of that going away, even if they have rules enforced, or make new ones
so if your not willing to work and learn all of this stuff you'll fall behind quicker have to pay to keep up (and thats what most do) this game has become a never ending hunting trip

Most complex machine in Motorsports? Lol.

[getinit]

here is the biggest problem with super lates, they are by far the most complex and engineered race car in motorsports, and that was said by a top engineer (f1, nascar, trophy truck guy)
and now that rumley fired the first shot, the top guys have picked up the pace, and i don't see any of that going away, even if they have rules enforced, or make new ones
so if your not willing to work and learn all of this stuff you'll fall behind quicker have to pay to keep up (and thats what most do) this game has become a never ending hunting trip

I agree.

I know of one engineer that has been in the sport since at least 2001. He came from Nascar and was working with the 2001 world 100 winner, the next year he moved on to another driver who won the world that year. Even after being told "you guys can't beat me". This engineer brought some knowledge to an area of the car that is still a big expense today.

The difference I have seen over the last 35 years is tech inspections. I know I'm exaggerating some by saying this, but it's almost as if it looks like a racecar it is allowed to race. Man, it used to be a big feat to get something by the officials, now it's like they look with their eyes closed, if they look at all.

I don't see any of it changing as long as there is inheritance money, big insurance and lawsuit settlements & big business involvement.

[Josh Bayko]

here is the biggest problem with super lates, they are by far the most complex and engineered race car in motorsports, and that was said by a top engineer (f1, nascar, trophy truck guy)
and now that rumley fired the first shot, the top guys have picked up the pace, and i don't see any of that going away, even if they have rules enforced, or make new ones
so if your not willing to work and learn all of this stuff you'll fall behind quicker have to pay to keep up (and thats what most do) this game has become a never ending hunting trip

Most complex in motorsports? Not a chance. Most complex on dirt? For sure.

[hucktyson]

You can only spend soo much money for sooo long with no results. There are no billionaire car owners out there and millions won’t last long pissing away money like that ...