You know what makes a race car cheaper?

[hucktyson]

But your tire was already grooved before you wore it out .. I don’t believe that you are going raw ungrooved unsiped on a new tire against guys grooving and siping new tires ...

[RaceEngineer]

Budget guys indeed add grooves as they wear. They are operating in a vacuum. It doesn't matter how much Bloomer cuts his. As a tire wears, it takes more cuts to build the same shear, wear, and heat in the block.

[RaceEngineer]

Of course you groove them. You need more cuts when the block is half height.

[grt74]

It is less grip. Very simple.

selling it, lmao, i had too

[Matt49]

A hard tire rule just means that guys will buy a new set every week to get fresh edges since that's what you race on with a compound that isn't helping you.
Until they get rid of the spread bore motors, the sport will continue to decline in terms of people that can afford to participate. If there was an option out there for a competitive motor for 15-20 grand, every person out there running a crate or a limited would figure out how to make that happen. But there isn't...
This is really an argument about cause and effect. Some people think that better aero caused the demand for big motors. Some people think that the big motors caused the demand for better the aero.

I'll ask the question this way: What would you rather have? A class where all of the chassis and suspension components are to a spec (everybody the exact same) but go as crazy as you want on motor? Or a class where everybody has the same motor but you can do what you want with the chassis and suspension?
Now factor in the current cost of a DLM rolling chassis and the current cost of the competitive motors and give me an honest answer.

[hucktyson]

Matt we it would not take many changes to make the additional power of a spread bore motor unuseable. Lower the decks 3” to 36” on the scales after the race , lay the spoilers back to 40 degrees and make the new max rf height 10” instead of 15. Those minor changes will make that extra power not useable. There is no logical argument that can be made against doing that. I’m not saying new shock and spring rules because the checking after the race will police the shocks and springs on its own

[hucktyson]

If you make spread bores illegal what will those guys do with them ?? Let them keep their spread bores and pay double for Rebuilds just negate their advantage

[dirtcrazy4u]

Matt 49. Spread bore motors are never going away. The rule makers, lucas and wrg, 100% understand what's going in SLM racing. Go to the PRI show. The rule makers don't talk to the little guys. They talk to champions from each series, crew chiefs, and owners. Francis, alone, expressed for years about cost getting out of hand. So what has he accomplished after year 1 ? He came down on guys at the first race of the year at GIS. Quite a few had to make body adjustments. I haven't seen anything since then. Richards, bloomquist, and others want to keep the number of competitors that they no can beat them to a minimum. Boy I'd like to see inverts come back for feature races. The big block mods up in new York do it the best. Time trails and heat finishes get you to the big show. Then you draw a pill for your starting spot in the feature. The big block mods are under the wrg banner so I'm not sure if it's changed or not.

[Josh Bayko]

Matt 49. Spread bore motors are never going away. The rule makers, lucas and wrg, 100% understand what's going in SLM racing. Go to the PRI show. The rule makers don't talk to the little guys. They talk to champions from each series, crew chiefs, and owners. Francis, alone, expressed for years about cost getting out of hand. So what has he accomplished after year 1 ? He came down on guys at the first race of the year at GIS. Quite a few had to make body adjustments. I haven't seen anything since then. Richards, bloomquist, and others want to keep the number of competitors that they no can beat them to a minimum. Boy I'd like to see inverts come back for feature races. The big block mods up in new York do it the best. Time trails and heat finishes get you to the big show. Then you draw a pill for your starting spot in the feature. The big block mods are under the wrg banner so I'm not sure if it's changed or not.

The SDS uses the same redraw format as the WoO late models.

[Matt49]

The additional power of the spread bore motors already IS unuseable in slick track conditions. But you can't qualify without it and then (when the track is heavy) it would behoove you to lay the spoiler back.
Guys aren't going around Eldora when it is black slick with it matted to the floor all the way around the track. Until they are, you'll never convince me that aero is causing the motor problem. It's the other way around. When there is traction in the track, you need all the power the rules will allow. Then when the traction goes away, you need the aero to ASSIST with getting traction back. You could go with the 1984 UMP bodies and guys that can afford it are still going to have a $50,000 motor because the rules allow it and when you need HP you'll have it. The insane HP allowed by the current motor rules is the root cause of the problem...just my opinion and it's been well documented on here in the past so I'll pipe down a little.

[hucktyson]

Physics limit how fast a 2350 pound car can go and still change directions at the end of the straight away. Explain to me why Kevin rumley would risk being parked for the weekend to run the Lr deck up another 1.5 after Francis turned his back if it is not
Important ... I am
Proposing lowering the deck 3” and consider Air shocks hold the deck at 42 or 43 after they hit the first bump in
Actually talking about lowering them 6 or 7 inches along with laying the spoilers back. But by all
Means please tell me more about running an open motor at a place like eldora or Pittsburgh since you have not done it .... perhaps you can tell me how

[RaceEngineer]

Why have a spoiler at all? Then you don't need an angle finder.

[hucktyson]

Cars look terrible without a spoiler but if they want to remove them I’m fine with that too

[ZERO25]

The additional power of the spread bore motors already IS unuseable in slick track conditions. But you can't qualify without it and then (when the track is heavy) it would behoove you to lay the spoiler back.
Guys aren't going around Eldora when it is black slick with it matted to the floor all the way around the track. Until they are, you'll never convince me that aero is causing the motor problem. It's the other way around. When there is traction in the track, you need all the power the rules will allow. Then when the traction goes away, you need the aero to ASSIST with getting traction back. You could go with the 1984 UMP bodies and guys that can afford it are still going to have a $50,000 motor because the rules allow it and when you need HP you'll have it. The insane HP allowed by the current motor rules is the root cause of the problem...just my opinion and it's been well documented on here in the past so I'll pipe down a little.

Yep, those spread bores are irrelevant on black slick tracks(which most features are run on).When feature lap times are 3 plus seconds slower, motors aren't the issue!

[RaceEngineer]

Yep, those spread bores are irrelevant on black slick tracks(which most features are run on).When feature lap times are 3 plus seconds slower, motors aren't the issue!

Sure helps to be half a track ahead when they throw the green and everyone is the same speed.