Has Bloomer ever raced a Sprint car?

[BloomerHarvickFan]

This is from last year. He's at least tested an asphalt Sprint car

[Clayton_Wetter]

Charlie Swartz is the best Sprint/turned/Late model driver, period.

[klemmabyna]

clayton: was waiting for CIRF to provide any recent examples. no doubt the legend Charlie Swartz was one of a kind.

[Clayton_Wetter]

clayton: was waiting for CIRF to provide any recent examples. no doubt the legend Charlie Swartz was one of a kind.

Okay, carry on sir!!!

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Cage, just for the record bloomy's best finish was 6th in the Saturday night C-main. Had he finished 3rd he'd have transferred to the B-main. He never advanced out of an alphabet race at The Chili Bowl.

With all due respect, Cage, you said it's not possible to be very good in several different types of racecars and I merely pointed out that Larson and, to a bit lesser extent, Bell go against that line of thought. We'll leave Jack out of this because he hasn't raced regularly since July of 2002 and not at all since September of 2014.

I'm not comparing bloomy to Larson because there is little to no comparison. Even with all his accomplishments driving modern generic dirt late models bloomy can't be mentioned in the same sentence as Larson, but I just did! LOL!

The original question was whether bloomy ever raced a sprint car. The answer to that is hell no. I merely pointed out how inept bloomy was in a midget. Midgets are remotely similar to a sprint car. Bloomy, simply put, got his over-sized ass handed to him while driving midgets. But, I reckon that can be explained away by bloomy being old and fat.

The bottom line is the record speaks for itself and the facts are that bloomy is as good as there ever was at driving modern generic dirt late models, but that's as far as it goes. Making excuses for his shortcomings in all other types of race cars won't ever change the record.
Yep, if he's as good as you think he is he should have kicked their asses! Sammy is old and fat and he runs up front year after year at The Chili Bowl. Ahhhh, maybe it's cause bloomy's tall and fat. Dave Darland is old and tall and he runs pretty good in a midget year after year.Okay, okay, I concede, bloomy would have easily lapped the field, Dillon and Larson included, if he would have just left that dam sway bar where it belonged. LOL!!

The sway bar excuse maybe works a little bit for the truck fiasco but how do you explain away bloomy's dismal showing in an ARCA car, especially on the dirt at Springfield? HMMMMM?

I’d rather be the master of one division than to jump around and never achieve dominance. Not even sure why you ever comment in the Late model section, when it’s to do nothing but put down late models or their fans.

We all know Bloomer screwed the pooch with the sway bar deal. How’d he do in an asphalt late model? Pretty (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) good. Look that up.

[Mason87]

Sprints have always been like a novelty to me it's like when the circus use to come to town years ago. Cool to see every once awhile but just not my thing.

[spiderma4]

Cage, just for the record bloomy's best finish was 6th in the Saturday night C-main. Had he finished 3rd he'd have transferred to the B-main. He never advanced out of an alphabet race at The Chili Bowl.

With all due respect, Cage, you said it's not possible to be very good in several different types of racecars and I merely pointed out that Larson and, to a bit lesser extent, Bell go against that line of thought. We'll leave Jack out of this because he hasn't raced regularly since July of 2002 and not at all since September of 2014.

I'm not comparing bloomy to Larson because there is little to no comparison. Even with all his accomplishments driving modern generic dirt late models bloomy can't be mentioned in the same sentence as Larson, but I just did! LOL!

The original question was whether bloomy ever raced a sprint car. The answer to that is hell no. I merely pointed out how inept bloomy was in a midget. Midgets are remotely similar to a sprint car. Bloomy, simply put, got his over-sized ass handed to him while driving midgets. But, I reckon that can be explained away by bloomy being old and fat.

The bottom line is the record speaks for itself and the facts are that bloomy is as good as there ever was at driving modern generic dirt late models, but that's as far as it goes. Making excuses for his shortcomings in all other types of race cars won't ever change the record.
Yep, if he's as good as you think he is he should have kicked their asses! Sammy is old and fat and he runs up front year after year at The Chili Bowl. Ahhhh, maybe it's cause bloomy's tall and fat. Dave Darland is old and tall and he runs pretty good in a midget year after year.Okay, okay, I concede, bloomy would have easily lapped the field, Dillon and Larson included, if he would have just left that dam sway bar where it belonged. LOL!!

The sway bar excuse maybe works a little bit for the truck fiasco but how do you explain away bloomy's dismal showing in an ARCA car, especially on the dirt at Springfield? HMMMMM?

"modern generic late models" that's funny coming from a sprint car boy

[bullring]

Laughable comments about Bloomer. The sacred Chilli Bowl has been won by a modified/late model driver. When's the last time the Dream or World has been won by an open wheel guy? Guess they prefer to run their $10,000 to win "exhibition" show that only 2 or 3 teams are competitive at than to race for $100,000 or $40,000 where they have rules.
lol lol lol

[CageFaraday]

clayton: was waiting for CIRF to provide any recent examples. no doubt the legend Charlie Swartz was one of a kind.

I see Charlie Swartz and Jack Hewitt as being cut from the same cloth, both great drivers. Hard nosed and determined. But I love and respect ALL of dirt racing, even Brett Hearn in those Big Block Modifieds. Why do we have to have animosity, when we all love dirt racing? It only hurts us all in the end... JMO

[tb1545]

Here's some thought.... could TMAC be good at both midgets and late models due to his big block modified background seeing as big block mods share parts of both sprints and stock cars

[klemmabyna]

CageFaraday: pretty sure we are on the same page. the goofy thing is i'm usually on here baiting bloomquist fans, but felt inclined to engage CIRF and his opinion on scott's lack of success outside late models.

I love racing of all types, including asphalt. and there are superstars in every style. the lost point of my debate is I'm not sure any racer these days can be expected to have great crossover success. especially in the middle or end of a career in one type where you are a legend.

and that was my challenge to CIRF. but I haven't seen a response...

[Josh Bayko]

Here's some thought.... could TMAC be good at both midgets and late models due to his big block modified background seeing as big block mods share parts of both sprints and stock cars

There might be something to that. For instance, Larry Wight, who is also primarily a big block guy but has experimented with sprints and late models, has been pretty impressive at the Chili Bowl as well.

[CIRF]

CIRF I have always enjoyed your pro-sprinter opinions. and will continue to do so.

but I do have a question. are there sprint car superstars that have made a big splash in dirt late models?

and this is for all: apples to oranges and all that... aj and tony. Hewitt. etc. but that was long ago...

are the differences in types of cars so much that crossover success in unrealistic?

if not, who, besides t-mac, can boast of high level success across divisions?

Klem, the short answer is there really are none. You are correct in what you say but as I mentioned before, the glaring exception to your examples is Larson and Bell.

The basic reason there has not been anyone from the dirt open wheel ranks to cross over to the modern generic dirt late models is mostly due to the fact that to move up the racing totem pole, as most young racers want to do, the opportunities are far and few between coming from the generic late models. There is a reason why Chip Ganassi went after Kyle Larson and not Bobby Pierce. The road to racing fame and fortune is not through GDLM's.

Schotz is doing it as a sidelight to his main concern, which we all know what that main concern is. Jack Hewitt was probably the most successful cross over in the generic era and even he did it as an afterthought and was only really interested in running the big Eldora shows and the mile dirt tracks where he had a distinct advantage over the DLM guys that didn't like the mile's. I know that because he told me so.

Larson wants to give generic late models a try but he's already got to where he wanted to go as a result of his dirt open wheel successes and the late models will be more or less a secondary challenge. A hobby, if you will.

Klem, you're a straight up guy who seems to be willing to accept facts and that is appreciated. Hypothetical's and hopeful assumptions are just that. The excuses that have been made here are mildly entertaining but somewhat hollow. To your credit, Klem, you have not made any excuses.

[CIRF]

I see Charlie Swartz and Jack Hewitt as being cut from the same cloth, both great drivers. Hard nosed and determined. But I love and respect ALL of dirt racing, even Brett Hearn in those Big Block Modifieds. Why do we have to have animosity, when we all love dirt racing? It only hurts us all in the end... JMO

Cage, I meant no ill will towards you at all. You're one of the few here that maintain an open mind and that is to be commended. A part of yours and my racing interests are beyond the tunnel vision rut of some here.

It truly brings a smile to my face when I'm derogatorily and erroneously referred to as an open wheel guy or a sprint car guy. It's humorous since at least half of all the racing we attend yearly is dirt late model racing. You don't live as close to Fairbury, Illinois as we do and not pay attention to DLM racing. It's very good stuff and it's close and affordable.

I think both you and I are a bit less tribal than most here. I can, and do, love both. I've attended over 20 World Hundreds and several Dream's and several of the big races held up at Cedar Lake, Wisconsin. I really don't believe a person can be all that anti late model with that attendance resume'.

[CIRF]

chupp n bloomer fan I’d rather be the master of one division than to jump around and never achieve dominance. Not even sure why you ever comment in the Late model section, when it’s to do nothing but put down late models or their fans.

We all know Bloomer screwed the pooch with the sway bar deal. How’d he do in an asphalt late model? Pretty (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) good. Look that up.

I understand your viewpoint on being great in one division as opposed to being mediocre in several like bloomy is/was. That is a valid point of view, it's also what sets a guys like Larson and Bell apart from guys like bloomy.

Not putting down late models or their fans. Never have, never will. As I said previously, we attend many dirt late model races each and every year and DLM's is the only division I've ever had any real involvement. The objective is to present a valid and realistic alternative to some unrealistic commentary. It's evident that does not sit well with you and a few others. I regret that, because that is not the objective. Please hate the message, not the messenger.

I am very interested in your take on why bloomy was so dismal in ARCA cars (before he was old and fat), both on dirt and asphalt, and his less than stellar showing in midgets. Do you also subscribe to the theory that old fat guys like Sammy (who was in his mid 50's the last time he won The Chili Bowl) and bloomy aren't capable of being competitive in midgets?

As far as the huge amount of asphalt late model success bloomy enjoyed before he was old and fat, I'm aware of his 2 races against household names the likes of which I can't recall. A 2nd and a 5th, if memory serves me. If you want to hang your hat on those 2 starts of which I don't believe he ever led, that's fine with me. Get right to it!

One thing is for sure, you bloomy worshipers certainly got a gift that will keep giving in perpetuity when he allegedly pulled that sway bar off. That's an excuse that will live in infamy! LOL!