Tours vs Outlaw

[WisWildManFan]

If there was only one national tour ticket prices would double

[Josh Bayko]

@DLM123

70 is a little absurd when you consider the track about 45 minutes up 28 is 90 for three days for their big show, and all three days pay a purse.

[TUTY]

Most of the Big 3 day shows are not points races now. USA Nationals in Cedar Lake is 3 days and Night 1 is a points Night and Night 2 and 3 is just show up points. Many of these Big shows are this way.

[Kwd1253]

With a lot of the top talent drivers going to outlaw schedules, do you think there could be a way for the tours to work together? I think they should reduce the number of points races to around 20-25 max, mini tours, and spread out the races through the year to 2-3 races a month. And not schedule against each other. How great would it be if the top 20 drivers in the country could run every race and compete for the title in both series. Talk about bragging rights to take home both titles. You could have the two series champions and then an overall points champion that paid like 250,000 to win. I think that would be awesome...why or why not could this ever happen?...

So true death to late model. Welcome Nascrap late model fully aboard. 20 cars tour, most tracks only do 24-28 cars for main. Means 5% chance for a top regional driver and zero chance for local small guy make it into the event. They going have to pay chit ton payout to keep 20 drivers on all season. Or have chit ton of sponsors, then you see guys spending more because their sponsors what be in top 5 of points. Then that going make late model twice much it cost now or more.


One day yall talk about the cost of racing, then the next dream up something that going make it cost even more.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Dlm123

PMS’s prices are the worst in dirt racing. Have been since I was a kid. There is no defending their pricing.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Well as I said I'm more in favor of no national tours, but the inverse of that would be 1 or 2 more national tours, making a total of 4, with "No" points, "No" Tow money, "No" free anything. Tours would schedule against each others dates but maintain a reasonable geographic distance so as not to cannibalize fans/cars from each other. Instead of a points champion, just make driver with most wins the champ and in case of a tie use best record 2nd's, 3rd's, 4th's etc. Then have the 4 series converge for a short SUPER SERIES comprised of the Crown jewels(World, N/S, DTWC, etc.) Resulting in a KING OF DIRT. Something along those lines. Just spit ballin'

Not a bad idea. But too many regional tours to put a fork in it.

[Illtsate32]

So true death to late model. Welcome Nascrap late model fully aboard. 20 cars tour, most tracks only do 24-28 cars for main. Means 5% chance for a top regional driver and zero chance for local small guy make it into the event. They going have to pay chit ton payout to keep 20 drivers on all season. Or have chit ton of sponsors, then you see guys spending more because their sponsors what be in top 5 of points. Then that going make late model twice much it cost now or more.


One day yall talk about the cost of racing, then the next dream up something that going make it cost even more.

Well we are talking about the best of the best in late model racing not a weekly racer at a local track. And cost wise do their cars magically cost more when the tour guys run together? Do regional guys make the race at the Show Me, Dream, World? I rest my case...

[Kwd1253]

Well we are talking about the best of the best in late model racing not a weekly racer at a local track. And cost wise do their cars magically cost more when the tour guys run together? Do regional guys make the race at the Show Me, Dream, World? I rest my case...

Yes does, its starts at the top and trickle down to regionals to local. Drivers want be compete and want to win. Regional guy see Brandon, Josh winning he ask Mark build a car like theirs. Do know how much money regional got spend to compete against the top national guys? Are that blind, go ask your boy Bobby how much cost just compete as regional against top national teams. There reason no local or small team hasn't won the dream, world and dtwc in a very long time.

[MI Dirt Fan]

I counted 14 non touring "regional" guys in the results of the Show Me... One of them finished 2nd.

[Kwd1253]

I counted 14 non touring "regional" guys in the results of the Show Me... One of them finished 2nd.

Yes most them guys are heavily funded teams or have top equipment. Also, there was only 12? Lucas tour guys. No top 20 national team/racer going follow a tour with knowing they are not going get provisions.

[Illtsate32]

You're getting awfully caviller in your arguments kwd...you spoke about regional or local guys making the event, you get presented evidence of them making the show, now you have changed the narrative to winning the show lol, and ya Bobby is my boy, wasnt all that long ago he was your boy too, so why the flip flopping mr. fickle...

[Illtsate32]

If they would only count a certain number of points nights, if you didnt make the a main one night it wouldnt be the end of the world. You wouldnt need provisions you live to fight another day, better than being out of the points race so you just give up on the tour completely...

[Kwd1253]

You're getting awfully caviller in your arguments kwd...you spoke about regional or local guys making the event, you get presented evidence of them making the show, now you have changed the narrative to winning the show lol, and ya Bobby is my boy, wasnt all that long ago he was your boy too, so why the flip flopping mr. fickle...

First of all never said he was my boy lol. I don’t root for him, but I don’t go around making hate threads about him. Any one on this board can tell you I’m pretty neutral with just about all drivers and teams. I call him out real quick if drives over his head or congratulate him if he wins driving clean. Just like jd, Scott, Hudson, don, josh and ect.

Ok let bring it back just to finish it in top5. What small time team/driver with old equipment 3-4 years old with out new parts finish in top 5 in the last 8 years?

Any drivers go to the Dream, world or major crown jewel has the desire win or finish in the top 5.


Now that you was hoping I would lose my cool and switch topic, lol no. No please explain your theory that top parts from top team/drivers don’t trickle down to regional and local running cost up?

[Josh Bayko]

The tours compete for drivers, fans and tracks... why would they give up any of the three? Domyou think WalMart would enter into an agreement with Amazon to limit the number of days each biz can sell?

Years ago we had Nascar, USAC, ARCA and Nascar Winston West... same basic car each running in a different region (although there was some overlap). It worked. Some drivers ran a few races in each series like Foyt did.

I'd like to see Lucas and WoO pull their rules back to match what the average Saturday night Joe
Lunchbox runs and get back to the days when the locals can run with the big biys when they come to town.

The Lucas/WoO rules aren't any different from weekly super late rules except for the safety stuff and tires. I don't know what you'd "pull back?"

[dirtcrazy4u]

You already have a couple of events that teams could cross over series. I see no reason for a Co sanctioned event. The biggest crossover is the world 100. Out of the last 10 yrs, which series can claim more world victories for there drivers ? I'm sure somebody knows, I would guess it's lucas drivers.