Charlie Swartz Mid Engine Wedge

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  • Crash 4
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2007
    • 671

    #16
    https://www.racingjunk.com/Vintage/1...0&np_offset=10

    Still on RacingJunk

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    • EvelB7
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2018
      • 907

      #17
      As it said earlier, they ran the car in a couple of 'Big 10' races in Concord, that is where the pic was taken. Paved tri-oval now that hardly runs anymore.

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      • gorj
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 1309

        #18
        Originally posted by EvelB7 View Post
        As it said earlier, they ran the car in a couple of 'Big 10' races in Concord, that is where the pic was taken. Paved tri-oval now that hardly runs anymore.
        These wedge cars were awesome. I saw Charlies's mid-engine car run at Henry Furr's
        Concord Motor Speedway. He passed away 2 years ago. The Big Ten races were great.

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        • Clayton_Wetter
          Banned
          • May 2007
          • 16671

          #19
          Originally posted by CIRF View Post
          Thanks for setting the record straight, Clay. I humbly stand corrected. I'm working on memory now but I recently read that Charlie won 2 races in the wedge and I mistakenly took it for granted that the DTWC at Pennsboro was one of them. I know that Charlie and Ray Callahan collaborated on the design and construction of the car and IIRC they built it to win the DTWC. The way the legend goes is that Ray and Charlie built the original wedge in Charlie's shop under very tight security. There was too much activity at Ray's shop in Springfield, Illinois to allow for much secrecy.

          For those that don't follow the midgets, or more specifically, Keith Kunz and his older brother Rusty, they both learned the basics of race car design and construction from Ray Callahan. I believe KKM produced midget chassis known as Bullet Chassis somewhat in honor of Ray who's DLM chassis were known as Bullit.
          He also ran that car at the Springfield mile. NTR also.

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          • intel8
            Senior Member
            • May 2008
            • 827

            #20
            I do believe this car has been restored and is owned by I 94 Speedway promoter in Minnesota. This was posted a while back on Facebook, I will try and find the info.

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            • CIRF
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2007
              • 8122

              #21
              Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View Post
              He also ran that car at the Springfield mile. NTR also.
              Yep, I mentioned that in post #13.

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              • Raceready
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2015
                • 4737

                #22
                I remember the stock make of the production car that it was supposed to represent was a Pontiac Feiro since it was a mid engine design.

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                • wallis127
                  Junior Member
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 13

                  #23
                  Here it is...
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                  • Raceready
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2015
                    • 4737

                    #24
                    Charlie liked driving it because he said he felt like he was able to dive in a little deeper and get a little bit closer on the car in front of him.

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                    • Southern Ohio Racer
                      Junior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 9

                      #25
                      I got to talk with Charlie about the mid-engine car, back when he was trying to run it. He said it was super fast on a wet, heavy track. When the track dried out it would start to push really bad.
                      It was called a Pontiac Fiero, due to the mid-engine design.
                      Charlie always pushed the envelope with his cars, so him trying the idea fitted right in.

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                      • RRRKKK
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 227

                        #26
                        I remember him saying that it took some time to get used to the steering. He sat so far forward the geometry
                        was different.

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                        • MasterSbilt_Racer
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2007
                          • 14324

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Southern Ohio Racer View Post
                          I got to talk with Charlie about the mid-engine car, back when he was trying to run it. He said it was super fast on a wet, heavy track. When the track dried out it would start to push really bad.
                          It was called a Pontiac Fiero, due to the mid-engine design.
                          Charlie always pushed the envelope with his cars, so him trying the idea fitted right in.
                          The Fiero debuted in 1983.
                          Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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                          • Crashmagnet
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 326

                            #28
                            As a child, I remember Charlie telling my Dad that the car was always awesome,...... til the driveshaft flew out. Memory serves that was its Achilles heel while it and the other one that Loy Allen drove. (Which I think JW had originally bought for Jimmy (Hunt)) was allowed to run.
                            Last edited by Crashmagnet; 02-21-2019, 07:22 AM.

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                            • Clayton_Wetter
                              Banned
                              • May 2007
                              • 16671

                              #29
                              Speaking of Charlie and drive shaft trouble. I saw Charlie stand a car on it's nose when the driveshaft dropped from the front and dug in at Paragon Speedway in Indiana back around 1980. It was really a wild ride he took. Believe it might have been the first Ronnie Johnson Rayburn car, a red number 5.

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