30 consecutive years......!

[EvelB7]

Again, the part I always thought was cool was when they talked about Dolan and his wins on TV (they were comparing Trickle's wins back when he was driving and Parson's brought up Dolan). Seems far fetched so I understand, I will say I watched Dolan win 3 nights a week all summer long one year in the Precision Performance car. He was one of the smoothest drivers you would see and I always tried to get his advice when I started driving. Great person and I hope he is doing well.

[rdcllk]

When you compare to the really old guys. You have to remember. A lot of them raced way more races a week
Some talk about racing 4 to 6 nights a week
Now days. It's hard for local racers to find two tracks a week they can run at

[TBSprintFan]

The ones that won a thousand (if you say so) races are the ones that spent the 60's and 70's at their local tracks, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, winning $300 dollar features against the locals before the racing series were created.

That $300 back then was worth more than $5 to $10 thousand now a days . when you compare the costs of cars, parts, haulers, etc. Back then drivers actually made money after expenses, now they would go bankrupt pretty fast if it wasn't for rich car owners and big sponsors.

[TerryM]

Before anyone starts belittling drivers who won a lot of races locally in the 60's or 70's, you might want to do some research to see who they were racing against every week. Guys didn't travel nearly as much back then, for various reasons, so many of them were running against a handful of future Hall of Famers every time they pulled through the gates "locally". My local tracks growing up were NKY/Florence, Richmond, Clay City, Ponderosa, Frankfort, etc. They might be running for "only" $500 to win, but you can bet every time we went, there was Pat Patrick, Billy Teegarden, Fats Coffey, Butterball Wooldridge, Floyd Gilbert, etc. I could easily name 10 more, and they all have one thing in common -- they are Hall Of Fame inductees. They might not all be at the same track on the same night, but wherever you went in central of northern Kentucky, you would usually have to beat some of these guys to take home the win. It probably wasn't much different in some other states. If you won 1000 races, or 800 races, or whatever, you'd have to be pretty slick to dodge all the other top local guys every night.

[ZERO25]

QUOTE:Look at you, poking the hornets nest, snowflake storm, whatever you wanna call it. Talk about whoever they like and it’s all good, much praise indeed, but oh no, don’t talk about that devil in the zero car.

Yep, post a FACT from our main news supplier, DoD, and the haters come out like .....the folks in the hood at the FREE food line!

btw.....didn't see that fruit picker guy on the list....hmmmmm!

[RaceEngineer]

Before anyone starts belittling drivers who won a lot of races locally in the 60's or 70's, you might want to do some research to see who they were racing against every week. Guys didn't travel nearly as much back then, for various reasons, so many of them were running against a handful of future Hall of Famers every time they pulled through the gates "locally". My local tracks growing up were NKY/Florence, Richmond, Clay City, Ponderosa, Frankfort, etc. They might be running for "only" $500 to win, but you can bet every time we went, there was Pat Patrick, Billy Teegarden, Fats Coffey, Butterball Wooldridge, Floyd Gilbert, etc. I could easily name 10 more, and they all have one thing in common -- they are Hall Of Fame inductees. They might not all be at the same track on the same night, but wherever you went in central of northern Kentucky, you would usually have to beat some of these guys to take home the win. It probably wasn't much different in some other states. If you won 1000 races, or 800 races, or whatever, you'd have to be pretty slick to dodge all the other top local guys every night.

Yes, everyone was a local. There is a huge bias toward that part of the country as far as HoF inclusion, but your point is valid.

[ZERO25]

North Floridas Wayne "Sugar Bear" Shugart, when asked how many features he had won, said he stopped counting at 1200!

[FastEd95]

Again, the part I always thought was cool was when they talked about Dolan and his wins on TV (they were comparing Trickle's wins back when he was driving and Parson's brought up Dolan). Seems far fetched so I understand, I will say I watched Dolan win 3 nights a week all summer long one year in the Precision Performance car. He was one of the smoothest drivers you would see and I always tried to get his advice when I started driving. Great person and I hope he is doing well.

The Dolan's are good people for sure. I still see Roger and his wife (who never seems to age) several times each racing season - I'm not sure if they ever miss one of Ryan's races. Roger used to film all of his son's races, not sure if he still does.

[TBSprintFan]

Before anyone starts belittling drivers who won a lot of races locally in the 60's or 70's, you might want to do some research to see who they were racing against every week. Guys didn't travel nearly as much back then, for various reasons, so many of them were running against a handful of future Hall of Famers every time they pulled through the gates "locally". My local tracks growing up were NKY/Florence, Richmond, Clay City, Ponderosa, Frankfort, etc. They might be running for "only" $500 to win, but you can bet every time we went, there was Pat Patrick, Billy Teegarden, Fats Coffey, Butterball Wooldridge, Floyd Gilbert, etc. I could easily name 10 more, and they all have one thing in common -- they are Hall Of Fame inductees. They might not all be at the same track on the same night, but wherever you went in central of northern Kentucky, you would usually have to beat some of these guys to take home the win. It probably wasn't much different in some other states. If you won 1000 races, or 800 races, or whatever, you'd have to be pretty slick to dodge all the other top local guys every night.

That's why to call a driver or any athlete a GOAT is ridiculous. Everything changes, back in the old days you didn't need touring series because you were racing against tough competition every time you went to a race. Plus there were way more drivers back then also and a lot of records/ results were not kept.

[rdcllk]

Good point about records not being kept. A lot of it is a driver saying he won x amount of races. And nobody really knows for sure

[Clayton_Wetter]

Before anyone starts belittling drivers who won a lot of races locally in the 60's or 70's, you might want to do some research to see who they were racing against every week. Guys didn't travel nearly as much back then, for various reasons, so many of them were running against a handful of future Hall of Famers every time they pulled through the gates "locally". My local tracks growing up were NKY/Florence, Richmond, Clay City, Ponderosa, Frankfort, etc. They might be running for "only" $500 to win, but you can bet every time we went, there was Pat Patrick, Billy Teegarden, Fats Coffey, Butterball Wooldridge, Floyd Gilbert, etc. I could easily name 10 more, and they all have one thing in common -- they are Hall Of Fame inductees. They might not all be at the same track on the same night, but wherever you went in central of northern Kentucky, you would usually have to beat some of these guys to take home the win. It probably wasn't much different in some other states. If you won 1000 races, or 800 races, or whatever, you'd have to be pretty slick to dodge all the other top local guys every night.

Or you had a superior car in an era of less parity in the race cars, Example: Paul "Butterball" Woolridge in the Duncan Delight #59. Butterball won 50
races in 1971

Many examples of a superior car racking up huge win numbers on their local tracks. Such as Larry Phillips winning 70 features in 1972

[TerryM]

My dad was buddies with a couple of the guys at Duncan Machinery Movers in Lexington, so we saw a bunch of their races back in the 70’s. Several HOFers drove that car. Not just Butterball. There were also other top car owners at the time who hired top drivers to drive their cars. That’s kind of how it works.

[Zonks32x]

North Floridas Wayne "Sugar Bear" Shugart, when asked how many features he had won, said he stopped counting at 1200!

He stopped counting at 1200...which clearly implies the number is over 1200. Not buying it (that he doesn't know the #). If he counted the first 1200, he didn't stop couting after that. I'll guarantee if you ask Bloomer or Moyer how many feature wins they have that they know the exact number, and so does the "Sugar Bear."

All of that said, let's roll with 1200.
That breaks down to:
50 wins/year for 24 years.
40 wins/year for 30 years
30 wins/year for 40 years

That's an impressive decades long run for the "Sugar Bear."
What a great nickname, btw.

[Barbecueboy]

There is a store named sugar bears that used to sponsor a car in the Carolina's....place has great fried chicken.

[EvelB7]

Roger Dale Hammond I believe had the Sugar Bear sponsor....