Late Model Haves vs Have Nots

[speedyshocks]

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2003 flyer from masters.....

[Krooser]

I love all the "engineers are the problem" claims, so if you are an engineer, understand mechanical systems, or approach racing with a problem solving mentality you are killing the sport. There have been smart people making cars faster since day one, don't get caught up on titles.

99% of the racers can't afford the technology...that's the problem. Keep it simple....

[ZERO25]

Turn key? Sounds about right. I am pretty sure a new GRT roller was near what I posted.

Yep.....if I remember correctly, it also included the carbon fiber brake system they were using.

[Zonks32x]

Here's an idea a little off the beaten path. The have nots could run wider tires weekly, and should also be allowed to do so at touring events as well. Give them an extra 1-2" of rear spoiler as well. That would allow them to put more of the hp they do have to the ground.



I know you need a dividing line. How about anyone who earned under 25k in winnings, the year before, and is not committed to running any national or regional tour full- time.

[Brian Gray]

The problem with racing is no different than the problems of 5he world. No one wants to do the work and everyone wants to complain. Where is this technology people are crying about? A pull down rig? A shock Dyno? Wind tunnels? I’ve been away too long from this board I guess

[hillracermanb2j7]

If you take away the shock behind and limit all the springs and bump stops and everything they are doing now the engineers are not gonna go away. If anything they will be used more so the cars will go faster. Just an example look at how many rules are in asphalt racing and how many people they have hired to go the fastest. Is the expense gotten out of hand yes it has. Is there a good easy answer? No there isnt. Sorry there if there are grammar issues and no paragraphs.

[RaceEngineer]

Here's an idea a little off the beaten path. The have nots could run wider tires weekly, and should also be allowed to do so at touring events as well. Give them an extra 1-2" of rear spoiler as well. That would allow them to put more of the hp they do have to the ground.I know you need a dividing line. How about anyone who earned under 25k in winnings, the year before, and is not committed to running any national or regional tour full- time.

We don't need to add traction.

[Zonks32x]

We don't need to add traction.

Fair enough...I'll gladly defer to those of you that are in the fray working on these cars on a regular basis.

[Brian Gray]

If you take away the shock behind and limit all the springs and bump stops and everything they are doing now the engineers are not gonna go away. If anything they will be used more so the cars will go faster. Just an example look at how many rules are in asphalt racing and how many people they have hired to go the fastest. Is the expense gotten out of hand yes it has. Is there a good easy answer? No there isnt. Sorry there if there are grammar issues and no paragraphs.

Sprint cars have the fewest rules I’ve ever seen and are 1/2 the cost of touring late models. If these tracks would simply enforce the rules that would be a great improvement.

[fastford]

Here's an idea a little off the beaten path. The have nots could run wider tires weekly, and should also be allowed to do so at touring events as well. Give them an extra 1-2" of rear spoiler as well. That would allow them to put more of the hp they do have to the ground.



I know you need a dividing line. How about anyone who earned under 25k in winnings, the year before, and is not committed to running any national or regional tour full- time.

i like this idea , if we go by my earnings last year , i would get to run tires 2 feet wide....lol....

[fastford]

If you take away the shock behind and limit all the springs and bump stops and everything they are doing now the engineers are not gonna go away. If anything they will be used more so the cars will go faster. Just an example look at how many rules are in asphalt racing and how many people they have hired to go the fastest. Is the expense gotten out of hand yes it has. Is there a good easy answer? No there isnt. Sorry there if there are grammar issues and no paragraphs.

most sensible post on thread and the fact..........

[Illtsate32]

Agree to an extent but if you dumb down the shocks take away bumps and all the reasons for data acquisition how would engineers become more involed and people spend more money?

[RaceEngineer]

Agree to an extent but if you dumb down the shocks take away bumps and all the reasons for data acquisition how would engineers become more involed and people spend more money?

Explain dumb down the shocks? What would you limit, exactly?How do $20 pieces of rubber inflate costs?The goals for the suspension remain the same regardless of the rules. You can't run a bumpstop? Now you need an engineer to help you build the correct torsional rate into your upper coilover mount so that you can coil bind a spring, but have the correct ride rate after that.

[kidrock]

If you take away the shock behind and limit all the springs and bump stops and everything they are doing now the engineers are not gonna go away. If anything they will be used more so the cars will go faster. Just an example look at how many rules are in asphalt racing and how many people they have hired to go the fastest. Is the expense gotten out of hand yes it has. Is there a good easy answer? No there isnt. Sorry there if there are grammar issues and no paragraphs.

This isn't grammar class so, don't worry about that. Do you make good points yes you do and that's more important. like fastford said it's a sensible post.

[fastford]

Explain dumb down the shocks? What would you limit, exactly?How do $20 pieces of rubber inflate costs?The goals for the suspension remain the same regardless of the rules. You can't run a bumpstop? Now you need an engineer to help you build the correct torsional rate into your upper coilover mount so that you can coil bind a spring, but have the correct ride rate after that.

yep , and this new open wheel class that there doing here only allows a 3 link rear with solid bars , springs on top housing and every thing welded solid on rear , i have thought of 20 ways to gain an advantage , some rule book boarder line , but , im kinda old school , if the book dont say i cant do it , then its good , but my point is , even with all these rules , racers are still gone find loo-polls .........