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  • smooth32
    Senior Member
    • May 2013
    • 959

    #1

    Sliders

    I was watching the Sprint cars at Lawrenceburg and I began to see a difference when it came to sliders. When the Sprint cars do sliders, which is just about lap after lap, the guy getting slid either LIFTS and follows waiting to make his move at a later time or they point their nose down and drive underneath. (There is a lot of lifting going on). The late model guys do the same, however; it seems the Late Model guys get offended by the slide job and don't like to lift. Case in point when JD took out O'neals LR, he could have lifted but didn't. Not saying who's right or who's wrong, that's not what this is about. Just curious as to why the sprint guys accept sliders and the late model guys don't. And, the argument as to when the slider is used is invalid because the sprint cars are sliding them whenever and wherever they can.
  • formercrewguy
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 987

    #2
    The biggest difference I see is when LM guys do the slide, they park it and the closing rate is too much sometimes.....as in JD's case.

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    • Tek2747
      Junior Member
      • Aug 2016
      • 22

      #3
      I'd venture a guess that the reason is because the consequences of making contact in an open wheel car are far greater than when doing it in one with fenders.

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      • TerryM
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 3902

        #4
        Fenders ... that’s the difference.

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        • CIRF
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2007
          • 8122

          #5
          The respect for the well being of driver and machine among the wingless open wheel contingent is much higher for obvious reasons. Driver maneuvers at a place like The Burg need to be precisely thought out and executed. Even more so at places like Eldora and Terre Haute.

          Generally the less possibility of driver injury, the less respect.

          Both genre's of racecars have their entertaining aspects. The late models can rut, gouge, push and shove. The open wheel guys have to be more respectful and precise. Both have their place and we enjoy both, but the contrast is distinct.

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          • RaceEngineer
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2018
            • 482

            #6
            Sprint cars cannot pass any other way. So, it is better tolerated there.

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            • Jim11h
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 1501

              #7
              That's far from truth race eng, but do think lot of it today is setups. These cars are set for momentum, not instant forward bite. If a guy lifts he loses that speed and takes minute to get it back not to mention a sudden lift off throttle drops car off the bars and upsets everything

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              • fastford
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 4059

                #8
                Originally posted by Tek2747 View Post
                I'd venture a guess that the reason is because the consequences of making contact in an open wheel car are far greater than when doing it in one with fenders.
                i agree with this plus if you got the zoombas to pull a slide job in a late model toward the end of the race , you better be dang sure you got room , especially with me cause if im running my line , i aint lifting either , but thats just me and i will say that if i pull one and am not clear , then i get what i deserve.......

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                • Barbecueboy
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 18116

                  #9
                  I don't know a ton about the sprints and their characteristics but they seem much more maneuverable at full song to be able to make that dive back to the inside without upsetting that valued momentum they carry, the late models have to lift to dive it back inside almost every time.....and as others have said, the full fender cars are much more forgiving when contact is made so the risk of contact isn't near as catastrophic as the open wheel sprints.
                  Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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                  • Barbecueboy
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 18116

                    #10
                    Originally posted by fastford View Post
                    i agree with this plus if you got the zoombas to pull a slide job in a late model toward the end of the race , you better be dang sure you got room , especially with me cause if im running my line , i aint lifting either , but thats just me and i will say that if i pull one and am not clear , then i get what i deserve.......
                    Great attitude about accepting the responsibility of your actions..........if you throw a bad slider and you get what you get then so be it......shoe on the other foot, if the guy throws a bad one at you then he gets what he gets.

                    Outstanding......I'll bet you are a solid guy to race with.
                    Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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                    • ZERO25
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2018
                      • 5240

                      #11
                      Basically, the slidee knows if he lifts, his car will develop a push and a severe one when the slider takes the aero off his nose!

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                      • Illtsate32
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2015
                        • 3079

                        #12
                        You got me I don't know why stock car guys get so offended by it the open wheel guys lift, drive back under, and it makes great racing. And the momentum thing is bs in a stock car when you see it coming you can lift and drive right back by them, especially if it's like people say they "park" in the corner...

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                        • RaceEngineer
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2018
                          • 482

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Illtsate32 View Post
                          You got me I don't know why stock car guys get so offended by it the open wheel guys lift, drive back under, and it makes great racing. And the momentum thing is bs in a stock car when you see it coming you can lift and drive right back by them, especially if it's like people say they "park" in the corner...
                          Hard to see it coming when the guy is behind you and you have a full containment seat and your helmet attached to your back with tethers.

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                          • WisWildManFan
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 3216

                            #14
                            Cuz bobby don't drive sprints hahah had to do it
                            Always carrying my 2 Crown Jewels

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                            • Illtsate32
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2015
                              • 3079

                              #15
                              Originally posted by RaceEngineer View Post
                              Hard to see it coming when the guy is behind you and you have a full containment seat and your helmet attached to your back with tethers.
                              RE now that I can't speak on the containment seats, but your peripheral vision alone you can easily see a car underneath you when your on the top..I don't think it's like a horse having blinders on, that would just be downright dangerous to half to drive like that...

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