50th Annual World 100 in 2020

[HoosierDirtFan]

make 427 chevy or ford aluminum small block max size allowed to run with cap of 800 max hp make it worthwhile for everyone they are going to have to start somewhere so why not here and try to get these engine builders prices down if bob had still been living something would've done and been done.

Buster - I like what you and Rocky said.

I agree. I seen someone else comment say go to a 410 motor across the board. Starting with capping engine size would be a good place to start in trying to bring prices down some. Problem is these series aren't smart enough to do something intelligent like that. I don't believe drivers and teams are smart enough to do this with out some one mandating it. I do think it could work inn the long run. At Big races winners engine is tore down and checked. If Legal he gets his engine fixed by series and track. If engine is deemed illegal then second get the trophy and money if their legal.

IMO the DIRTcar group is the worst offenders. Heck they don't even police their own rules except at big events. I'd also to some extent call them a monopoly as they have a bunch of tracks a series under their umbrella and they could give a crap. Like you said we need another Bob Memmer. Deery is a joke. Look at his Rockford idea and how it turned out. No one should be dictating what series a track promotor has decided to bring in and how they run their track. DIRTcar needs someone with a pair of b@!!$ running things in a smart manner.

Just my thoughts.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

But I do like racing lol

And I think your older music is bad a$$ man.

[brsteg]

Buster - I like what you and Rocky said.
I agree. I seen someone else comment say go to a 410 motor across the board.

I think if you go with 410, then their may be some commonality with sprint car motors which should allow more engine builder options for teams to get a fair price; but DLM engine builders could maybe expand into sprint cars if they aren't there already. Commonality and competition would hopefully lower the price some.

IMO the DIRTcar group is the worst offenders. Heck they don't even police their own rules except at big events. I'd also to some extent call them a monopoly as they have a bunch of tracks a series under their umbrella and they could give a crap. Like you said we need another Bob Memmer. Deery is a joke. Look at his Rockford idea and how it turned out. No one should be dictating what series a track promotor has decided to bring in and how they run their track. DIRTcar needs someone with a pair of b@!!$ running things in a smart manner.

Just my thoughts.

Either WRG and Lucas have to do something from the top; or the extreme case, a LOT of promoters are going to have to get in a room together and create a new UMP to overthrow the Goliaths who aren't feeling the pain the weekly race promoter is.

[GEAR_HEAD]

I think if you go with 410, then their may be some commonality with sprint car motors which should allow more engine builder options for teams to get a fair price; but DLM engine builders could maybe expand into sprint cars if they aren't there already. Commonality and competition would hopefully lower the price some.



Either WRG and Lucas have to do something from the top; or the extreme case, a LOT of promoters are going to have to get in a room together and create a new UMP to overthrow the Goliaths who aren't feeling the pain the weekly race promoter is.

It's time for another Bob Memmer to step up and kill these aero sensitive cars and go backwards a little to something more practical like what guys were running in the late 90's / early 00's, but nobody has the balls to do that anymore. The best way to make the racing better is to slow these cars down and take away some of the traction again, like when the wedge cars were eliminated.

[HoosierDirtFan]

I think if you go with 410, then their may be some commonality with sprint car motors which should allow more engine builder options for teams to get a fair price; but DLM engine builders could maybe expand into sprint cars if they aren't there already. Commonality and competition would hopefully lower the price some.



Either WRG and Lucas have to do something from the top; or the extreme case, a LOT of promoters are going to have to get in a room together and create a new UMP to overthrow the Goliaths who aren't feeling the pain the weekly race promoter is.

Absolutely agree. My point exactly. Get more builders and the high price of one builder might come down because a guy or lady can say heck I'll just go to another builder that will give me a more fair price. I think going with a 410ci would be darn near a perfect option. The teams may not like it at first because now they need to get a new engine but in the long run might save them from them selves. Heck Gaerte and some of these other builders that where big in the past and give them a route back to building late model motors. It could be the best overall fix.

[brsteg]

It's time for another Bob Memmer to step up and kill these aero sensitive cars and go backwards a little to something more practical like what guys were running in the late 90's / early 00's, but nobody has the balls to do that anymore. The best way to make the racing better is to slow these cars down and take away some of the traction again, like when the wedge cars were eliminated.

How was the wedge car killed in the 80's? Because that is what we have to do again.

[play4kps]

I think taking aero away and the 410 is a great start. This is what we need here, reasonable conversation on how to save the sport. If that means seperating the Lucas and WOO cars, so be it, Hopefully the world and dream stick with the newer ideas, and just maybe a lot of crown jewels will now become unsanctioned, which would be great for the sport.

[GEAR_HEAD]

How was the wedge car killed in the 80's? Because that is what we have to do again.

Memmer created UMP to form an alliance against them, which was necessary to donat that time. Sure they were cool looking, but they were getting out of control, just like cars of today. And UMP isn't going to do anything about today's issues, they don't care about the health of the sport one iota. They only care about their money nowadays.

[brsteg]

Memmer created UMP to form an alliance against them, which was necessary to donat that time. Sure they were cool looking, but they were getting out of control, just like cars of today. And UMP isn't going to do anything about today's issues, they don't care about the health of the sport one iota. They only care about their money nowadays.

I knew UMP was promoter's coming together under leadership of Bob to commonize rules, fight costs and have a voice. Didn't realize the rise of UMP was actually so tied to the wedge car.

I remember reading in Earl's book about it being important for UMP for Earl to sign on with them, which he eventually did. If a new UMP emerged, I think it would be just as critical or maybe more so for Eldora to sign onboard. Something that seems sketchy looking at how ingrained WRG/Dirtcar is at the Speedway for the 2 big Late Model events.

Without Eldora switching the Dream and World over to the new spec late model, any change will probably ultimately be seen as just another crate or steel block type late model class diluting the "Super" class. And the result would probably be the same complaining over the new division as their is the crate class. (I'm guilty of complaining about crates, they don't do it for me.)

I think Eldora has the same power with Late Models as IMS had with IndyCar. Eventually as IMS goes the sport goes... for Late Models, as the World goes the sport will eventually go.

[Rocky]

If we don’t have Eldora, we don’t have anybody. We’re talking about the World 100 after all and making the party bigger again.

[play4kps]

Other than the World and Dream Eldora only races late models 3 times a year, in fact they dont race late models at the big e all summer, They run the dream in early june and dont race late models there until the Baltes classic in sept. Eldora is not a late model track, or at least all summer long its not.

[Rocky]

Indeed that’s the case, but if the Indy 500 runs a rules package, we know what happened there. Honestly there’s not a weekly Super late model track within 150 miles of my house. Depending on what a Super actually is. Fast limited can run with them on bullrings. But like I said before they ain’t THAT limited. Limited cubic inches and steel blocks, that’s it. I don’t know the answers but we all agree that something has to be done if Super is gonna be a thing at all. I ain’t saying crates, or brink the bodies to pro stock size, fans won’t come see that. While they’re at it they need to get the modified class back in hand them things are basically like if a Super and a hobby stock had a live child anymore.