Thoughts. After having a talk with Moyer’s crew chief at the World 100 Saturday......

[Rocky]

How exactly do you limit shocks? If you go to non adjustable oil shocks now you have to have a whole shelf full of shocks with springs on them smashed to different rates. I don’t know as much about late models as anyone associated with Billy Moyer but how do you do it?

[billetbirdcage]

Rocky, you can't to a degree. While you could limit adjustable shocks to only 1 adjustment per rebound/compression and eliminate 4 way adjustable shocks, but then like you said guys will have several shocks that are already valved and increase the number of shock you carry. The only real way you're gonna limit the cost is go to a spec shock.

Not a fan of the idea. Why are you gonna start with something that is way low on the list of what costs the most on a LM.

A guy can also make the argument that I can spend just as much on spindles as I do shocks if you arguing the time and money spent on research. I could cut the front end off a car and try several different front ends and do something different every week and go test it until I found something better. It's not any different then testing and revalving shocks and spending a ton that way.

Steve Norris (billys crew guy - I assume) has been around forever and has my respect, but it's not the feasible and is way low on the list of the things that cost a national team.

[billetbirdcage]

I would bet anything if you talk to any of the owners of a touring team the top 3 or 4 expenses would be these on average and I bet not one of them would list shocks

Engines
Labor - crew expenses
Tires
Fuel/travel expenses

[Rocky]

Engines and tires. Especially tires. If you’re REALLY worried about decreasing cost limit to stock valve angles and take all the titanium and throw it in the dumpster. Maybe a cubic inch limit too. Say 410 or 427. I have integra shocks by a guy up north and don’t run last because of my shocks or motor it’s because I can’t drive a hot nail up a snowman’s behind. I am just out there for fun. Shocks don’t cost as much as motors.

[Rocky]

By the way don’t think I am advocating any of that it’ll never happen but if cost is to be addressed maybe address stuff that’s expensive like motors instead of stuff that’s cheap like bodies.

[Bob Hubbard]

If you want more rules drop down to the limited class .... This is how & why Nascar started going down hill ... The less rules the better IMO ...

[Rocky]

I don’t want more rules. The more rules you have the more money guys will spend to beat them. Although the safety rules update was probably overdue. I don’t mind that.

[Bob Hubbard]

I was just talking in general ....Not to your post ...

[Rocky]

Personally if somebody wants to spend a million dollars to win $1000 and a plastic trophy who am I to stop them. This is America.

[Watts6]

Air?.... Really?.... At what point do you think air will not matter? At no race track do these cars travel 35mph. You will never stop aero being a factor

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Rocky,

That cheap body requires you to have the expensive engine. The best, easiest way to enforce a cost reduction is to make the expensive part not worth the money.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

If you want more rules drop down to the limited class .... This is how & why Nascar started going down hill ... The less rules the better IMO ...

The current problem is lack of rule enforcement. The bodies should not be where they are. Were you around when the wedge was killed to save the sport?

[chupp n bloomer fan]

The current problem is lack of rule enforcement. The bodies should not be where they are. Were you around when the wedge was killed to save the sport?

Precisely...

[Rocky]

Masters,

it wouldn't really hurt my feelings of the noses were shorter and the elephant ears were not so ridiculous. It kinda makes me nervous that I might hit a little kid driving through the pits because the Left front is up so high.the body in my car is old, I don't have one of the good bodies. But even if I did, a hobby guy that runs between 5 and 10 races a year isn't gonna win any races. I suppose I run limiteds, but that's just fancy talk for 370 inch motor super around here.

Edit that should say part time guy that could maybe win a heat race or something some day. Nobody I race is a professional race car driver.

[Josh Bayko]

Air?.... Really?.... At what point do you think air will not matter? At no race track do these cars travel 35mph. You will never stop aero being a factor

If you take the downforce off the car, you can’t apply nearly as much power. We don’t even have to back that far. Just going back to 2008 bodies wouldn’t significantly change the look of the cars, but it would take a few hundred pounds of downforce out of it.