Thoughts. After having a talk with Moyer’s crew chief at the World 100 Saturday......

[Rocky]

So you guys are saying I need to put a bigger body on my car lol?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

So you guys are saying I need to put a bigger body on my car lol?

My buddy modernized the body on his car over the winter. He did a few other small things that helped, but it is leaps and bounds faster. I think the body was a huge part of it.

[Josh Bayko]

So you guys are saying I need to put a bigger body on my car lol?

It would help.

[Rocky]

My buddy modernized the body on his car over the winter. He did a few other small things that helped, but it is leaps and bounds faster. I think the body was a huge part of it.

Well dang. The body from the fenders back is very old.we modernized the front end last winter. I want to get a newer car, but there's something happening that might stop that. Maybe I will finally crack for sheet metal . If you can't catch em, join em.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

You have to get the interior down low, with rake to the back and so the drivers interior becomes a sideboard. It adds massive downforce.

[Rocky]

The deck is dished, but the hood is probably 2 inches higher than it. I know what the new ones look like. I have noticed that the other guys cars are wider than mine on the left side at the drivers door. Also, my quarter panels don't come down as far as theirs and my roof is way smaller and not angled steeply like theirs.

[Rocky]

Matter of fact the body on my car is probably about like the ones you guys would like to see back out there. It belonged to a buddy of mine like 10 years ago.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Matter of fact the body on my car is probably about like the ones you guys would like to see back out there. It belonged to a buddy of mine like 10 years ago.

I'd say you are right. This car started life as an 03 masters. The roof isn't raked like a current car still.

[Rocky]

Back to the topic of shocks please don't make me give up my integras in the hopes of saving a little guy like memoney, I already paid for them.

[Bob Hubbard]

Too many factors come into play when you just focus on one thing .... Teams that races for a living are gonna find the speed vs the weekend warrior .... Look at how screwed up the tire rule was .... IMO the scales are another rule that needs to go ..

[Josh Bayko]

Too many factors come into play when you just focus on one thing .... Teams that races for a living are gonna find the speed vs the weekend warrior .... Look at how screwed up the tire rule was .... IMO the scales are another rule that needs to go ..

No minimum weight is a rabbit hole that nobody wants to go down. Even 410 sprints have weight limits now.

[dirtcrazy4u]

It's funny how you get a group of guys talking about expenses and how to make things better overall. Bodies, motors, shocks and tires. Everyone has had there opinion on what needs to change but no one steps up to make a change. For change to happen you would need to have lucas, woo and a few others in the industry to sit down and map out a strategy. Never going to happen. They don't care about local racing, they would rather have guys that are spending way to much following there program.

Bodies, I like the looks of today's SLM. Everybody can afford a body. What is it 8, 9 sheets of aluminum. That body creates a tremendous amount of downforce.
Motors, now where getting to the good stuff, it's the biggest expense for a team thru the course of a year. You start with 2 or ideally 3. After a race such as eldora not 1 team is going to knoxville with the same powerplant in hopes of winning.
You could limit the cubic inches, that's not changing costs, the engine builder is still holding his hand out and saying 65k please. Remember everyone saying 360 motors where going to save sprint car racing. It just drove the costs higher.
Shocks, a yes shocks, as someone said. There is a difference in a guy that just puts a set together and the guy that understands every movement the car and that shock make.
Tires, well most sanctioning bodies have eliminated cutting tires. So today teams sand them. The part of the tire that has seen the most attention over the years has been sidewall technology. You have to be able to feel the car rolling over on the sidewall and be able to adjust.
Technology, which you can never stop, is what's killing the sport. If you take that body away that I think looks good.
Do you need the motor, No.
Do you need the shocks, No
Do you need the tires, No
Without all that downforce, the best tires, motor, shocks wouldn't make a difference.

[Rocky]

Too many factors come into play when you just focus on one thing .... Teams that races for a living are gonna find the speed vs the weekend warrior .... Look at how screwed up the tire rule was .... IMO the scales are another rule that needs to go ..

Minimum weight is actually a safety rule.

[hucktyson]

Check the deck height after the race as soon as the car pulls in. The cars go from 39” to 45” just by turning the wheel left on pit road ... and why is the deck 39 instead of 36 like it always was ?? Why do we have to allow 15” of RF clearance ? That just allows people to manipulate deck height with super soft stacked RF springs and setting that corner extra high making the LR extra low. How about this , tell them you can run whatever ground clearance you want but it has to be the same on both sides. You want 15” ok great make the left side 15” also. The shocks are what allow the car to maintain that dynamic posture but if you just put insane rebound in both fronts and make the LR like a solid rod the car feels like a buckboard on square wheels and a 2” hole throws the car like a 2ft hole. So you have to figure out how to keep that posture and handle holes. Racing does not need to be this expensive or this complicated. My favorite part is the local dudes posting on here that I even don’t think are winning locally feel that no rules is the best way as if they have it figured out as well as Davenport and team zero lol lol lol . No one was in davenports League this week and he didn’t get there but running off the shelf longhorn shocks. These guys run 15 seconds when eldora is blowing dust , a few years ago those were 17 second conditions lol

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Everyone wants to do nothing, or get lost in the weeds, when the big, giant body is staring them right in the face. Wedge bodies killed engines in cars with monoleaf suspension and Monroe shocks! Let that sink in.