Thoughts. After having a talk with Moyer’s crew chief at the World 100 Saturday......

[hucktyson]

You’ve got the wrong guy. That 2016 pierce with 3 different brands of shocks and the same type of bd1010 motor that Bart Hartman won the world with in 2009 isn’t exactly cutting edge. I was able to make the car make traction like the new stuff but it just flat out won’t rotate into the corner without stopping on entry until it gets real slick. I don’t have the time or energy to make the front end do what it needs to so it’s time for an XR1. I’m the farthest thing from a person who goes out and buys everything , I do it all my self , it’s my hobby not my business. But at some point you get tired of battling trying to make a car do something it wasn’t meant to and you get what you need .... I’m at that point lol

[Rocky]

That sounds very familiar....

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Get that mastersbilt out, raise the rack, change the 4 link plates, and race it. Ours beats a lot of xr1s.

[dirty-white-boy]

Ask Steve Francis why the bodies are out of control? He was supposed to make it all better I thought? 15in RF Clearance is a joke!

[dirty-white-boy]

You are exactly right. Everyone from the sanctions to Mark Richards talk a big game about saving late model racing, but no one wants to actually step up to the plate to do anything about it. Racers are their own worst enemy and they are steering the sinking ship. They need a Bob Memmer to put a cork in the ship.

Amen to that!!!! Bob had zero interest in selling cars or motors.

[Rocky]

It would be easy to incorporate a torsion bar into the coilover mounting system. It would be fairly easy to hide.

Smokey used a transversals leaf spring as upper control arms on the sidecar way back in 64. Somebody could probably pull that off for a year before anybody caught on. There’s really no rules enforcement.

[PRCKartRacer9]

Huck, love your replies. all I read all weekend was what a joke you are. well if tgis were another board, I'm sure you would speak what you're thinking, but its nice to have ya back at the same time. anyways, you're an old school racer that takes what he had and makes it work anf we should all respect that. racing is racing. this stuff today where it's chasing who put the right shocks on is boring to watch. I honestly would rather watch pure stocks than a super late feature at some tracks because whoever is right is going to win by a bunch. it's a crap shoot every night. not a shoot out. go to any track in the early to mid 90's. those were shoot outs. the local boys all across the mid west gave anyone a run for their money because they knew what worked on that track. a couple names from Muskingum that come to mind are Robbie House, Jeff Boyd, Doug Dodd, Scotty Peltz, Chad Hina, Jamie Miller, Shane McLoughlin. im sure theres more in other people's eyes but these were the guys that defended their turf. now the locals are staying home because spending a bunch of money to make it to a B main isn't really exciting. but to every guy that works for a living and races for the pure joy of it, don't give up because you are keeping the sport alive

[stewart fan]

How many races did billy win because he had the newest trick?who was the first to run the pinned rf setup

[hucktyson]

Unless you were driving that 49 car you might want to start writing bigger checks for your “ information “ This is exactly why the rules will never change , too many guys will to pay someone to hold their schemed for them and help them figure stuff out. If you check deck height after the race you can’t use a shock that will hold that corner up .... if you require the front ground clearance to be the same on both sides after the race you can’t use shocks that hold that down because that would leave your deck to high at the scales. Use whatever shocks and springs you want minus inerters and then you won’t have to spend so effing much on your motor !!!! Are you really that stupid to not see if the car was unhooked you couldn’t use that big of a motor .... or are you sooo sure that the “ information “ your buying instead of coming up with for free is such an advantage for you that your better off paying for that info and paying stupid money having your engines rebuilt where everything is replaced every time to withstand turning 9k all night ??? People paying for “ information “ is the stupidity that killed weekly supers and will eventually kill touring supers

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Huck, unhooking the cars is the way. But, it needs to be done simplistic, in a way that is simple to tech. It won't take long for someone to have a bumper that adjusts clearance during the race.

Why not give aero removal a chance? Why are they wanting the rear in the air?

[hucktyson]

How much easier to tech can you get than a tape measure ?? Seriously ... I’m
Pretty sure having a rule that your not allowed hydraulic body adjustments similar to a woo sprint wing wouldn’t be very hard to tech. Pull on the scales you are either 36” or your DQ , how much easier can it get ? The front end either measures the same on each side or it doesn’t. Obviously you need significant clearance on the RF to not fold the nose , requiring that same clearance on the left will prevent you from sealing the nose. If the nose isn’t sealed you won’t have an “ aero push “ . To implement these rules you would just have to lower your T bar , make a couple bigger sail panels and cut your LF nose , most likely make a new bumper but chassis builders would love that it’s free money.

[hucktyson]

I throw in a 7” max stroke front and rear on the LR shock , and mandate that it be on the cage not a clamp or any other contraption while were at it , but I don’t want to hear how that would break people lol

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I'm not talking something fancy. It would be easy to make the bumper bend up on the first lap.

[hucktyson]

That’s fine as long as it bends up evenly on both sides , remember it still has to measure the same on the scales after the race ....

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

They don't even measure decks after the race. Btw, I agree with you that they should. You gonna dq a guy for body damage? Lol