Devin Moran 2020

[Barbecueboy]

I think they are still a good team, just missing a little something. And I think the last 2 drivers being young & so far from home was a small factor also.

Huge factor cprince07........unhitch from home , family and friends and go to a new state and live with and amongst strangers.....that's got to be tough on youngsters that are both rooted very deeply in family.

I have my own opinion on why it didn't work out with both drivers and the reasons are both very different....but that's for another thread.

What's not for another thread is to point out how joyful, happy , gay,giddy and relieved Cleo is because Devin didn't do much better overall than Bobby did in the ride.....like he was hoping for failure all along......pa THETIC.

and they wonder why?

[Barbecueboy]

Who accused you of hating or loving either driver??? You said Bobby has won more races, fact. You said Devin will get more wins down the road...which you, I, and many others likely agree with.

You asked, what has Devin won. I answered the question.

Did somebody say FACT?

Zonk riding in to save the day with them again.......nice touch.

[Barbecueboy]

Overmatched personnel making setup decision. If you have driver and equipment, that's all that is left.

Think you aren't giving chemistry....attitude.....respect...work ethic...a little luck and experience enough credit.

A great set up is awesome, but as you know it's not one size fits all and if any of those things above aren't involved it's almost impossible to find that setup combination that works for the guy in the seat consistently.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Think you aren't giving chemistry....attitude.....respect...work ethic...a little luck and experience enough credit.

A great set up is awesome, but as you know it's not one size fits all and if any of those things above aren't involved it's almost impossible to find that setup combination that works for the guy in the seat consistently.

I'm not big on that soft stuff. Sure, it matters, but fast race cars win races. Winning cures all ills. The divorce of 49 and 22 was kinda ugly, but they won together.

[Barbecueboy]

True enough.....but I'm of the opinion that a great team of we beats a great team of "me" more times than not.

Ones just not as flashy.

[spiderma4]

Overmatched personnel making setup decision. If you have driver and equipment, that's all that is left.

bingo 100 percent agree

[chupp n bloomer fan]

So much bickering on here. Are there only women on this board?

Since when does a top 5 finish give you credibility? Or even a second place for that matter! I guess that's what the world has come to these days. The thing that is great about Pierce is when you go to a race and watch him you see a guy that will do anything to win including beating the crap out of his own equipment. Could a racing fan want anything more from a driver?

I like Devan Moran a lot and he is very very very talentted but he hasn't won sh!t. Get back to me when he wins a big race.

Say what you want but it's pretty much fact that Pierce is better than Moran right now. Just be patient though, Moran has time to collect the big checks sand they will come.

Because the second you mention Devin, it’s stink on sh!t from the you know who group. No he ain’t had the performance. Personally, I figured Pierce’s stats would blow him outta the water. Pretty comparable, their time in the DB car and head to head. But not sure why it even matters. Devin really learned to race from his Dad, and Bobby, still just a hard charger no matter what.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

speaking of stats moran 1 late model win $3000, pierce 17 wins $134,555 plus 10, 000 bonus for winning 3 in az. I don't really think that's a wash! So has $144.000 in 17 races moran in 48 races on lucas is at $123,365. Don't kid your self winning still matters

One followed the Lucas tour, the other stayed close to home except for AZ. Just skip them stats?

It shouldn’t be an argument, but obviously you all look at it from a fan boys standpoint. They are both good young drivers and it’s a stupid argument y’all always wanna get into.

[JK4745]

Devin is a very good young talent. That being said Bobby is way more accomplished and has been more successful. They will forever be compared to one another since they are both sons of hall of fame drivers and the same age. All of you are letting your hate for Bobby cloud the facts that he and Sheppard are definitely the most accomplished and most talented of the young crop of up and comers(Moran, O'Neal, Carpenter, English, Norris and so on). I know the haters will say he can only run the top or he tears up too much equipment. The plusses outweigh the minuses, he gets everything out of the car that it has to offer and that's all you can ask of the driver. If you want someone to not give it his all no matter track conditions or when the setup is a little off then Bobby is not your guy. I for one love it when you know as the owner the driver did all he could to get the car to the front. You all seem to praise Hewitt and he and Pierce are very similar in the win it or wear it style.

[Barbecueboy]

Pierce is rarely the problem in any of the arguments .....his driving style and numbers speak for themselves.

Everyone knows that " club bobble head" drives those outrageous fan bus conversations as if they were driving the race team hauler and doing the car set ups themselves.

And they wonder why?

[waaac77]

Who accused you of hating or loving either driver??? You said Bobby has won more races, fact. You said Devin will get more wins down the road...which you, I, and many others likely agree with.

You asked, what has Devin won. I answered the question.

Was simply pointing that out to prevent people from bashing me for my opinion and thinking it's biased. I've read a message or two on this board.

The question was also rhetorical. Meaning he hadn't won sh!t. I was wrong though, forgot about the PDC win

[Barbecueboy]

Skipped those stats????

Nope , just ignored them because it wouldn't make his argument work.

Your post is another good one c and b......both good drivers and both appear to be good young men.

[ImCryn2]

Pierce is rarely the problem in any of the arguments .....his driving style and numbers speak for themselves.

Everyone knows that " club bobble head" drives those outrageous fan bus conversations as if they were driving the race team hauler and doing the car set ups themselves.

And they wonder why?

I don't think there's many sensible people on this forum that disagree with your assessment of those couple posters, but I'm not sure I would consider 1 or 2 people a 'club'.
When I saw this thread I knew Pierces name would come up and the age old 4m style run down would commence on Pierce, like it always does.
Like I posted earlier, I would rather see a conversation about what everyone feels the problem is with Dunn-Benson 2.0. They have been struggling (in comparison to prior years) since they got back into racing. Pearson didn't have near the results, Pierce showed signs of speed, but nowhere near consistent. Moran has not ran as good as he did last year(although not horrible), Carrier Jr had no luck in his start for them. All these guys are very capable of winning races and did before joining the team. Is there a common denominator? Or is it simply the fact that these races are harder to win than they were back in the D-B glory days?

[Barbecueboy]

Without a doubt the races are much harder to win .....the talent level and equipment equity has entrenched itself throughout the field compared to those days.

I think DB 2.0 is just struggling to find that chemistry it takes to put that show on the road and win consistently ......those early days with Earl wasn't just Earl, it was a team that knew what each other was doing before they were even doing it, they worked very well together.....and EPJ driving the shoot out of it didn't hurt.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings to see them move to BD chassis, being Earl back one last time for a good run and let er eat......don't see that happening and I'm hearing the same things everyone else is hearing but it would be cool to see.

[tb1545]

Trying to compare Pierce vs Moran is apples and oranges IMO. Pierce not chasing a points payout vs Moran running lucas points, say both drivers are running 16th with 20 to go and both drivers missed their setup that race. Moran stays on the track to get as many points as possible but actually puts more laps and wear and tear on a car and engine, but is more conservative and takes what he can get out of the car because of points. Pierce pulls off for a DNF to save equipment and knowing payout from 10th-24th is pretty much the same but since points arent on his mind, its rightfully a checkers or wreckers menality. There is a lot of what ifs that makes it a bad comparison in my mind.

The biggest issue in my mind is Dunn Benson not having either driver for more than 1 season. Expecting to have success against the 49, 20, 14, 5, 1 , 0, etc. cars that have notebooks on many of these tracks for at least 5+ years in your very first season as a team with your current driver is pretty impractical.

I believe both Pierce and Moran will have more and more success over the next 5 years as they get more and more polished especially if they find stable rides to grow as a team that takes at least 2 years together.