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  • ImCryn2
    Banned
    • Oct 2009
    • 885

    #46
    Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
    Name someone who has less financial motivation to paint the rules his way.

    I'll wait.
    What does needing a fuel stop have to do with financial gain for Mark? He wasn't even at the race to lose or gain from it. Who do we listen to if not the guys who are around this stuff everyday of their lives and are successful at it?

    JD could have ran a 4 gallon bigger cell by the rules, but had they not stopped during the cautions he would have ran out with that also. I mean why change the race procedure rules to half a$S address the concern, especially when not even a month ago the same sanctioning body had a fuel stop at a similar sized track.
    Personally, I don't feel fuel mileage should ever be the deciding factor in a dirt race. Shorten the amount of laps on the big tracks to avoid the issue all together. JMO

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    • ImCryn2
      Banned
      • Oct 2009
      • 885

      #47
      Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
      I made a very on point statement of fact. I don't see how it's more than that. It could have been, but it wasn't.
      I'm not going to debate your opinion or facts, but you did try to answer my question with a question.

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      • MasterSbilt_Racer
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 14310

        #48
        Originally posted by ImCryn2 View Post
        What does needing a fuel stop have to do with financial gain for Mark? He wasn't even at the race to lose or gain from it. Who do we listen to if not the guys who are around this stuff everyday of their lives and are successful at it?

        JD could have ran a 4 gallon bigger cell by the rules, but had they not stopped during the cautions he would have ran out with that also. I mean why change the race procedure rules to half a$S address the concern, especially when not even a month ago the same sanctioning body had a fuel stop at a similar sized track.
        Personally, I don't feel fuel mileage should ever be the deciding factor in a dirt race. Shorten the amount of laps on the big tracks to avoid the issue all together. JMO
        The lack of rules enforcement for bodies has led to it. They used to not run out anywhere. This includes Knoxville. If a bird is born with gills, it dies. Momma bird does throw it in the water. There is nothing wrong with the race format. The problem is a lack of control over the class.

        All subject matter has experts with unbiased opinion. Unfortunately, they tend not to lobby because they are not financially driven. Lobbying usually costs money directly, if not indirectly because of time spent.

        I also don't think those $2800 xr1 fuel cells are 32 gallons.
        Last edited by MasterSbilt_Racer; 10-09-2019, 09:05 PM.
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        • ZERO25
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2018
          • 5240

          #49
          Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
          The lack of rules enforcement for bodies has led to it. They used to not run out anywhere. This includes Knoxville. If a bird is born with gills, it dies. Momma bird does throw it in the water. There is nothing wrong with the race format. The problem is a lack of control over the class.

          All subject matter has experts with unbiased opinion. Unfortunately, they tend not to lobby because they are not financially driven. Lobbying usually costs money directly, if not indirectly because of time spent.

          I also don't think those $2800 xr1 fuel cells are 32 gallons.
          If Marks statements were financially driven, then wouldn't it make sense for him to offer a bigger fuel cell, and charge more money?

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          • jcotton02
            Member
            • Mar 2012
            • 55

            #50
            Originally posted by ZERO25 View Post
            If Marks statements were financially driven, then wouldn't it make sense for him to offer a bigger fuel cell, and charge more money?
            They have a bigger cell and a few had it in.

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            • chupp n bloomer fan
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 11526

              #51
              Originally posted by Mason87 View Post
              Who's hating on him, as soon as some one says something about a guy or has a different opinion than yours you're automatically a hater. Bet you vape to CnB.
              Break down assume for me sweetheart. Don’t fukin vape, never have, never will. Don’t smoke cigarettes, never have, never will. Do not chew. I drink Jack on the weekends.

              Different than mine, I call everyone a hater? Pretty broad and totally non factual statement. You got me mixed up with the Pierce Posse. Anyone talks about Richards, I can guarantee there’s 2-3 that’ll be here like stink on sh!t to tell you what a turd he is. Them are facts, hate, dislike, wtf ever you wanna call it. Since hate got your panties wadded up, go with dislike.

              No one has to like my opinion, I don’t care if I’m the only one in the room with it, is what it is. Never been a sheep.
              Up in the air who my next “favorite” driver is. Really losing hope on Bloomer getting anywhere back to “normal”.

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              • bleedblue55
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2012
                • 1872

                #52
                Back in the STARS era the Pittsburgher always had a fuel stop at halfway. Likewise I remember fuel stops at Hagerstown for some of their bigger races. A very common sight in that era was teams switching carbs to run either Cam 2 fuel or Alky. Fuel stop they ran Alky for temps and performance, no fuel stop they ran Cam 2 fuel for mileage. Decisions had to be made then just like decisions were made at this years Pittsburgher. Sometimes those decisions don't work out.

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                • chupp n bloomer fan
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2007
                  • 11526

                  #53
                  Originally posted by bleedblue55 View Post
                  Back in the STARS era the Pittsburgher always had a fuel stop at halfway. Likewise I remember fuel stops at Hagerstown for some of their bigger races. A very common sight in that era was teams switching carbs to run either Cam 2 fuel or Alky. Fuel stop they ran Alky for temps and performance, no fuel stop they ran Cam 2 fuel for mileage. Decisions had to be made then just like decisions were made at this years Pittsburgher. Sometimes those decisions don't work out.
                  JD simply had a smaller fuel cell and a bigger carb, that’s all. Just a simple mistake.
                  Up in the air who my next “favorite” driver is. Really losing hope on Bloomer getting anywhere back to “normal”.

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                  • chupp n bloomer fan
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 11526

                    #54
                    If Mark had a link to buy his latest greatest 32 gallon fuel cell, ok, y’all got a point, cheesy and distasteful. But if it was just a been there done that, no harm, past experience. Blue I’ve been at at least a couple races with a fuel stop. Maybe Hagerstown, and PPMS, cannot remember.
                    Up in the air who my next “favorite” driver is. Really losing hope on Bloomer getting anywhere back to “normal”.

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                    • chupp n bloomer fan
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 11526

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Mason87 View Post
                      Who's hating on him, as soon as some one says something about a guy or has a different opinion than yours you're automatically a hater. Bet you vape to CnB.
                      Cannot stand vapers, white Oakley’s, or back ward hats, there ya go.
                      Up in the air who my next “favorite” driver is. Really losing hope on Bloomer getting anywhere back to “normal”.

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                      • hucktyson
                        Banned
                        • May 2007
                        • 1903

                        #56
                        Checking deck height before the race instead of after like they always used to has the decks way up in the air causing people to be in the fuel more when the track drys out. They used to use 13-14 gallons at Pittsburgh in 100 laps .... Cornett does send stuff out super rich so I’m sure that didn’t help. Either way you are allowed 32 gallons and JD was 7 laps short with 26....

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                        • ImCryn2
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 885

                          #57
                          I read somewhere that he had a 28 gallon cell, but your point is the same. JD wasn't the only one who ran out, but there were several others who made it with fuel left. Learn from it and move on is all you can do.

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                          • dirty-white-boy
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2007
                            • 996

                            #58
                            [QUOTE=MasterSbilt_Racer;2289858

                            I also don't think those $2800 xr1 fuel cells are 32 gallons.[/QUOTE]

                            $2800 fuel cells seriously?

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                            • Jking24
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2017
                              • 1512

                              #59
                              Originally posted by dirty-white-boy View Post
                              $2800 fuel cells seriously?
                              With the cage yes

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                              • racedad11
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 104

                                #60
                                Another one of those "requirements" that cost racers money and line others pockets.

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