Playoffs Should Never Be a Part of Dirt Late Model Racing

[Zonks32x]

Imcryn2,

Allow me to elaborate. Agree 100% with you that winning should reward the most points and provide an advantage over everyone else. (For that single race).
B-Shepp lost out on the '18 WoO title b/c of 2 dnf's. Bad nights happen in DLM racing, nature of the beast, but a points structure that is too punitive, doesn't make the championship chase better.

What I would do, if I was in charge of points.

Points for full-time touring drivers only.
1 pt to the fast qualifier for the night.
1 pt for a heat race win.
1 pt for leading the most laps in the feature.
1 pt for hard-charger in the feature.

50 pts for winning the main event.
*If the highest finishing touring driver finished in 2nd (49 pts), 3rd (48 pts), 4th (47pts), 5th (46pts), 6th or lower (45 pts)

2nd through 7th highest finishing touring driver
2 less points if they finish directly behind touring driver ahead of them.
3 less points otherwise

8th through 10th place touring drivers
All receive 3 less points than the 7th place touring driver.

11th through 14th (or however many full-timers a series has)
All receive 3 pts less than 10th highest touring driver.

For arguments sake, let's say a series has 12 full time touring drivers and they finish in order 1-12 in the feature:
1st:50 pts, 2nd:48, 3rd:46, 4th:44, 5th: 42, 6th: 40, 7th: 38, 8th: 35, 9th:35, 10th:35, 11th:32, 12th:32

Now let's say, highest touring driver finished 3rd, and there was a gap of 1 car or more between all the touring drivers in the feature:
1st: 48pts, 2nd: 45, 3rd: 42, 4th: 39, 5th: 36, 6th: 33, 7th: 30, 8th: 27, 9th: 27, 10th: 27, 11th: 24, 12th: 24

Bottom line for me is this: If the nightly payout has little to no difference from 8th place on back, the points structure should do the same.

[rdcllk]

Anybody remember the race at Ky. Lake. EPJ and O'Neal going for the title in the last race of the season

[ImCryn2]

Imcryn2,

Allow me to elaborate. Agree 100% with you that winning should reward the most points and provide an advantage over everyone else. (For that single race).
B-Shepp lost out on the '18 WoO title b/c of 2 dnf's. Bad nights happen in DLM racing, nature of the beast, but a points structure that is too punitive, doesn't make the championship chase better.

What I would do, if I was in charge of points.

Points for full-time touring drivers only.
1 pt to the fast qualifier for the night.
1 pt for a heat race win.
1 pt for leading the most laps in the feature.
1 pt for hard-charger in the feature.

50 pts for winning the main event.
*If the highest finishing touring driver finished in 2nd (49 pts), 3rd (48 pts), 4th (47pts), 5th (46pts), 6th or lower (45 pts)

2nd through 7th highest finishing touring driver
2 less points if they finish directly behind touring driver ahead of them.
3 less points otherwise

8th through 10th place touring drivers
All receive 3 less points than the 7th place touring driver.

11th through 14th (or however many full-timers a series has)
All receive 3 pts less than 10th highest touring driver.

For arguments sake, let's say a series has 12 full time touring drivers and they finish in order 1-12 in the feature:
1st:50 pts, 2nd:48, 3rd:46, 4th:44, 5th: 42, 6th: 40, 7th: 38, 8th: 35, 9th:35, 10th:35, 11th:32, 12th:32

Now let's say, highest touring driver finished 3rd, and there was a gap of 1 car or more between all the touring drivers in the feature:
1st: 48pts, 2nd: 45, 3rd: 42, 4th: 39, 5th: 36, 6th: 33, 7th: 30, 8th: 27, 9th: 27, 10th: 27, 11th: 24, 12th: 24

Bottom line for me is this: If the nightly payout has little to no difference from 8th place on back, the points structure should do the same.

Thanks for the explanation. While it may be a little confusing for the casual fan, I'm sure the series could have a computer program to do the math almost immediately.

Out of curiosity, under that system, would it have changed the outcome of either series recently?

[Rocky]

If you do it that way you can’t pick up drivers to replace guys that announce then by the end of Speedweeks know that they can’t compete and quit. It happens every year.

Who was that dude about 12 years ago his car was as bad as mine but he kept showing up getting provisional starts... He probably had the time of his life, but there is that happening too guys.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Rocky

#93

Roy Mitchell outta Indiana. He was awful. Dangerously slow. I’ll be attacked for that statement, but that’s ok. At least one wreck I watched him cause because of how slow and in the way he was.

[Rocky]

I have been that guy. Made a $7500 to win race this summer because there weren’t enough for a B-main. I went and looked at the pit board, saw that I was starting directly behind Russell Erwin because we qualified under sunlight... yeah I did one lap took my $400 and went and bought a Mountain Dew from the concession stand.

[TerryM]

The Chase is just about the only NASCAR-related thing I still watch. The rest of it is almost dead to me, which is sad because I grew up loving it and continued to for decades. If they ever drop the playoff format, I’ll probably be done with the sport for good.

We don’t need it in dirt late model racing. My interest is much more in the individual races. The Lucas and WoO points chases are of secondary interest, or less. I mean seriously, other than a handful of drivers, does anybody really care who wins these points championships?

[Rocky]

Maybe the fans of those guys care about those championships. I don’t care.

[mcarter815]

I don't really pay attention to the points in any dirt series. I just watch the races and a good race is all I car about.

[15b24fan]

I kind of agree. I find myself more interested in the individual races with dirt racing, not so much the championship chase. Although, I have been interested in the WoO Sprints championship with only 8 points between Schatz and Sweet going into the final weekend. Same with last year on Marlar/Sheppard on the WoO late models. Does the interest go up if it is close or is it marketed when it's close? Hard to market a championship chase when a driver has it all but locked up in weeks of advance. I do like that Lucas Oil marks the points leader with the orange spoiler.

[Ron Burgundy]

As long as we are changing things....

Maybe we should have the drivers switch to electric motors and go around the track clockwise 🤔

[ride height]

https://youtu.be/s2R2sH2ScBM Playoffs!?

[jr29]

I don't really pay attention to the points in any dirt series. I just watch the races and a good race is all I car about.

Agreed.
Points racing and calculating points and everything involving points absolutely bores me to tears. I can't watch Nascar these days because they talk about points constantly.
Points are dull as dishwater.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

Maybe we should have the drivers switch to electric motors and go around the track clockwise 樂

NASCAR is planning on adding electrification in 2022, possibly with a push-to-pass button.