(maybe) unpopular opinion time

[Burke1118]

Driveshafts I agree, they are safer. I did forget about that. Seat, I am not sure about. The seats are more than 5g last time I heard and are about 10lbs lighter.. I bet someone could spend about 30-50g and save 200lbs of weight off the car switching everything they could to CF. Would they have an advantage? Absolutely. Rather than the sanctioning bodies letting everyone keep pushing and pushing until they have to change the rules to grandfather in the whole country's race cars, I think it would be a good idea to get ahead of it (for once).Rule: No carbon fiber/kevlar or similar composites other than for driveshaft and seat.

[03fan]

Make the driver pay for it. Seats have come a long way as far as safety, which is a good thing. Do you need a carbon fiber seat ? NO Do you need carbon fiber body panels ? NO. The carbon drives hats are about the only thing I can say adds to safety concerns to a degree. Unless your driver can't make weight, because all cars go across the same scale, it's all show and no go.

It allows you to place ballast in other spots to improve the handling of the car. It is an advantage.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Here's a question to ponder. What if a sanctioning body passing rules like this outlawing materials that make the cars safer, like carbon fiber driveshafts and seats, results in someone getting hurt or God forbid killed, as a result of it? Who's going to take responsibility?

Rule changes should be well thought out and all possible consequences considered before being implemented.

Outlawing a CF seat does not make people less safe. Some of the current, mandated, safety devices do increase "minor" injuries now, at the trade-off of making you safer in rare high acceleration incidents.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

It allows you to place ballast in other spots to improve the handling of the car. It is an advantage.

Achievement of proper weight percentage isn't really an issue now, so that isn't a big deal.

[grt74]

They don't enforce titanium now. Plenty of Ti rods in engines. Most likely used in other less spendy places as well.

go to eldora, check bumpers, bolts, and side crash bars, you'll find it

[NeedforLMspeed]

Was EPJ using a carbon fiber seat when it broke out in Arizona or NM last month?

[petesbuyin]

I agree. We need to get rid of all the exotic parts on these race cars. Not just titanium and carbon fiber but magnesium and aluminum too. We don't need aluminum bodies, let's outlaw them and go back to steel bodies. Don't need aluminum blocks or head or intakes. Or wheels. And we don't need magnesium Bell housings, transmissions, or quick changes either. Make them all out of cast iron and steel. And while we're at it let's get rid of all this exotic electronics. Get rid of electronic ignition and make a points distributor madatory. And let's get back to a 6 volt battery.

Now we got are selves a real race car.

[dirtcrazy4u]

How stupid would it be to build a car with all these exotic materials and then roll across the scales and have to add 100 lbs to make weight. With the balance of today's cars bolting on that much weight is not a advantage.

[Dlmfan123]

Was EPJ using a carbon fiber seat when it broke out in Arizona or NM last month?

No it was butlerbuilt

[grt74]

How stupid would it be to build a car with all these exotic materials and then roll across the scales and have to add 100 lbs to make weight. With the balance of today's cars bolting on that much weight is not a advantage.

you can put the weight where you want it, its an advantage if you know how to use it, remember its a 100 thousand dollars on the line for the dream and 50 for the world

[Stefan2k4]

What about carbon carbon brake rotors? I know Bloomquist use to run those. Yes, they offer a performance advantage. Yes, they are expensive. However, they also add a safety element because they perform much better than conventional rotors and still function at much higher temperatures.

And let's get back to a 6 volt battery.

Perhaps this would please some better.

https://www.sciencebuddies.org/scien...potato-battery

And after the event they could be recycled into French Frys for the concession stands.

you can put the weight where you want it

There is that! There is also the fact that weight in some places is more important. For example there is what's known as "unsprung weight" in the suspension system. Also since most stock car racing is stuck with 1960s technology in the engine department, and we're still running pushrod engines, weight of valvetrain components is a huge deal. That's just 2 examples, but sometimes the weight of certain components is more significant than others.