Summernationals trending down...

[Mister Ricochet]

PPV is where the money is at, this longer schedule will prompt many to pay an extra $39 for another month of Dirtvision; could be another $200-$400K for WRG.

Was it Rigsby that said a few times that after speaking to quite a few owners during the Covid Season the dirty little secret is it was their most profitable year ever!!?? ........ I think you're right. It seems the business side paradigm of the sport is changing in real time.

Not a business man and haven't followed the sport like most here at 4m but the ability to see so much more racing at tracks I'll never get to due to the ability to stream the sport has changed dramatically for me. ............ For decades me and the fellas met up at the tavern or someone's garage to watch the NFL, or even NHL, now we do that to watch dirt late model racing. Something we could never have dreamed of just a few short yrs ago.

[Buford.Justice]

Most certainly is. Show me a SN race that doesn't pack the house. Fan attendance has been going up every year. Parking lots don't lie. Every race should be 10g minimum.

Yes or at least $7500 for weeknight shows. A lot of tracks try to get a weeknight show so that they don't have to pay $10K yet still charge a fat admission.

B-town for instance. They used to have a weekend date. But not anymore.

[hoodpin]

Yes or at least $7500 for weeknight shows. A lot of tracks try to get a weeknight show so that they don't have to pay $10K yet still charge a fat admission.

B-town for instance. They used to have a weekend date. But not anymore.

There's reason why they don't have the weekend date like they used to, but its not for the reason mentioned.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

WRG views the Summernationals (and all of what used to be UMP) as their minor league. It has gradually happened since the sale of UMP to them, but this is where we are today.

It's supposed to be weekly racing. Bob Memmer and UMP killed wedge cars to save money and the sport. It's not about big money and big stars.

[Action10]

It's supposed to be weekly racing. Bob Memmer and UMP killed wedge cars to save money and the sport. It's not about big money and big stars.

I agree with you, I just feel like it has been mismanaged totally. When was the last time an actual weekly racer won the UMP national championship? Rodney Melvin in the mid-00's if I remember correctly.

[JimBo]

Just listening to Feger talk about anything or following him on Social Media will put anyone into a state of depression.

Just remember if there is 5k up for grabs 27 nights and a points reward at the end, there will be someone there chasing it. That series is bigger than Feger whether he wishes to admit that or not.

Really wish DoD would get away from the IL boys and Busch Latte Boom!

You nailed it on the head dwb, for me anyway.

[jr29]

I have no idea what the "good ole days" of the Summer Nationals was supposed to be. I've been following DLM racing since the mid-1990's and they were going to Michigan and Iowa and Wisconsin in those days too. They raced in Baxter, Tennessee back then. That's closer to Charlotte or Atlanta than St. Louis. Do these guys want 10k to win every night within 3 hours of Decatur, Illinois ?
Racers seem to complain a lot.
What's the problem ? Someone help me out....educate me.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I agree with you, I just feel like it has been mismanaged totally. When was the last time an actual weekly racer won the UMP national championship? Rodney Melvin in the mid-00's if I remember correctly.

Schlenk and Unzicker are far from serious tour racers.

I'm not arguing the mismanagement, but apparently for totally different reasons. This group has sat and done nothing to keep the cars in check. They just cash their checks.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I have no idea what the "good ole days" of the Summer Nationals was supposed to be. I've been following DLM racing since the mid-1990's and they were going to Michigan and Iowa and Wisconsin in those days too. They raced in Baxter, Tennessee back then. That's closer to Charlotte or Atlanta than St. Louis. Do these guys want 10k to win every night within 3 hours of Decatur, Illinois ?
Racers seem to complain a lot.
What's the problem ? Someone help me out....educate me.

I have the same questions.

[jr29]

The first three years of the thing the first race was in Owatonna, Minnesota. The first year the series went from Owatonna to St. Charles, Missouri the next night. Mapquest tells me that is 477 miles. Stop acting like the travel has only become difficult in recent years.

2000 tour...
June 25 in Haubstadt, In
June 26 Hales Corners, Wi
June 27 East Moline, Il

[jr29]

I agree with you, I just feel like it has been mismanaged totally. When was the last time an actual weekly racer won the UMP national championship? Rodney Melvin in the mid-00's if I remember correctly.

And drivers complain that the purse is a huge problem. Pay 20k to win every night and see what that does to the weekly racer.

[Action10]

Schlenk and Unzicker are far from serious tour racers.I'm not arguing the mismanagement, but apparently for totally different reasons. This group has sat and done nothing to keep the cars in check. They just cash their checks.

Fair point. They aren't serious touring racers but I also don't consider them weekly racers either. That's not to say I'm right, just my view on it.You are spot on about collecting money without controlling the sport and keeping it somewhat affordable.

[cgrace]

The first three years of the thing the first race was in Owatonna, Minnesota. The first year the series went from Owatonna to St. Charles, Missouri the next night. Mapquest tells me that is 477 miles. Stop acting like the travel has only become difficult in recent years.2000 tour...June 25 in Haubstadt, InJune 26 Hales Corners, WiJune 27 East Moline, Il

I think the point is that they keep extending the nights in the series, traveling for 10 nights in a row is one thing. Now they are all over the map for two and half months. The series basically pays about the same when diesel fuel was significantly less, they've also split it up with big shows in between. So if anyone wants to attend the big shows that's tons of racing. The series is June 15 until August 21. Starts immediately after the Dream. Weeks off the guys travel to Cedar Lake for the USA Nationals and FALS which really aren't that close either. They also gotta skip a few other big races to stay on the tour.

[jr29]

I think the point is that they keep extending the nights in the series, traveling for 10 nights in a row is one thing. Now they are all over the map for two and half months. The series basically pays about the same when diesel fuel was significantly less, they've also split it up with big shows in between. So if anyone wants to attend the big shows that's tons of racing. The series is June 15 until August 21. Starts immediately after the Dream. Weeks off the guys travel to Cedar Lake for the USA Nationals and FALS which really aren't that close either. They also gotta skip a few other big races to stay on the tour.

All of that is valid and I'm not crazy about the current schedule either. But haven't the drivers been complaining for years ? I really like Shannon Babb but I remember him commenting several years ago about how the tour had gotten away from what it was supposed to be about. Why was the tour so great in 2004 and why was it starting to be so terrible for these drivers in 2017 or 2018 ?
There are more high paying specials these days and I don't see how UMP can do anything about that. If they raise purses more touring level drivers are gonna be showing up. That makes things more difficult for the local, weekly guy. Is the tour supposed to cater to the weekly guy or the touring guy ? Can't have it both ways....at least not nowadays.

[NeedforLM$peed]

The first three years of the thing the first race was in Owatonna, Minnesota. The first year the series went from Owatonna to St. Charles, Missouri the next night. Mapquest tells me that is 477 miles. Stop acting like the travel has only become difficult in recent years.

2000 tour...
June 25 in Haubstadt, In
June 26 Hales Corners, Wi
June 27 East Moline, Il

According to DoD the first ever Summer National race was in 1986 at Spoon River.