Lucky Dog rule origin

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  • TDRacin®
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 1596

    #16
    If the rule is, "First car a lap down gets a LD", why did they wave around every car that was one lap down at the halfway point?

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    • Barbecueboy
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2013
      • 18116

      #17
      The guy that finished second isn’t cryin about it……….Next subject please.
      Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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      • 84wedge
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2020
        • 2088

        #18
        Originally posted by cjsracing View Post
        Here's the problem -I am in 12th and you are in 13th three car lengths behind me. Leader laps you and the caution comes out. Without the lucky dog you are still 1 lap down. So on the restart you pass me, but you really didn't because you are still a lap down even though you are in front of me on the track. You then pass a few other cars. After the race you pull in and think you have a top 10 finish but you are still scored in 13th.Lucky dog fixes that.Without it once you get lapped you might as well pull in because you aren't gaining anymore positions unless you pass another lapped car.
        No, it doesn't fix that because the guy in 14th still passes the car in 13th but really didn't.

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        • 84wedge
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2020
          • 2088

          #19
          Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
          It was a solution to a problem in NASCAR, at least initially. In dirt racing, it was a pointless copy cat move. I didn't understand it when it happened, most haven't cared until now.
          The only reason I care is the winner of a 100 lap race only completed 99 laps.

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          • Barbecueboy
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2013
            • 18116

            #20
            Originally posted by 84wedge View Post
            The only reason I care is the winner of a 100 lap race only completed 99 laps.
            I never really thought about it that way, but technically you’re correct.
            Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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            • cjsracing
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 838

              #21
              Originally posted by 84wedge View Post
              No, it doesn't fix that because the guy in 14th still passes the car in 13th but really didn't.
              chances are at the next caution that 14th place car then gets the lucky dog.

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              • buster83
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2007
                • 1878

                #22
                bloomer was notorious for stopping on track bringing out the yellow and he used the lucky dog to his advantage.

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                • zer018
                  Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 68

                  #23
                  ???

                  Originally posted by buster83 View Post
                  bloomer was notorious for stopping on track bringing out the yellow and he used the lucky dog to his advantage.
                  Please enlighten us and tell us when and where Bloomquist used this rule. Yes he’s stopped on the track to bring out the caution and go in to change tires and make adjustments but I’d be willing to bet he was on the lead lap when he came in.

                  I will say once again, drivers are already penalized by having to start at the tail of the field after bringing a caution out and pitting. I could understand the argument if they intentionally brought the caution out, pitted and then assumed their previous position upon coming back to the track, but that’s not so.

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                  • MasterSbilt_Racer
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 14310

                    #24
                    When 10 guys bring out separate cautions to make adjustments, it is very detrimental to the entertainment value of the race. I'd like to see no courtesy laps for any driver for any reason.
                    Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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                    • buster83
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 1878

                      #25
                      when u bring out caution u get 2 laps to get your position back.

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                      • buster83
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 1878

                        #26
                        it was either wheatland batesville there was a red flag track was very very ruff bloomer performed work on car sent to rear 1 lap down the next caution he received LD all hell broke loose in stands but bloomer remained on lead lap i thought he came back and won but u need to recheck it been a few years back.

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                        • Highside Hustler25
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 12919

                          #27
                          Originally posted by buster83 View Post
                          bloomer was notorious for stopping on track bringing out the yellow and he used the lucky dog to his advantage.
                          How dare you claim Bloomer could be a lap down. Lol, you trying to create a chit storm here?😄
                          Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
                          When 10 guys bring out separate cautions to make adjustments, it is very detrimental to the entertainment value of the race. I'd like to see no courtesy laps for any driver for any reason.
                          I'm along with this new rule. Hey Shwalls, you out there? Maybe Towerview can blow in his ear.
                          8/13/16

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                          • RacerZ
                            Member
                            • Sep 2021
                            • 50

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Highside Hustler25 View Post
                            How dare you claim Bloomer could be a lap down. Lol, you trying to create a chit storm here?
                            .
                            Like that time he w0n the World Hundred at Eldoris... ? 👈🤗

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                            • dirty-white-boy
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2007
                              • 996

                              #29
                              Originally posted by 84wedge View Post
                              From Wiki. The beneficiary rule, commonly referred to as the "lucky dog" or "free pass", is a rule in some motor racing leagues allowing the closest lapped driver to the front of the field to gain back a lap when a caution is called. The driver is called to move to the end of the longest line of the cars at the end of that caution period. This rule was instituted to prevent drivers from racing back to the start/finish line when a caution was called.Before the rule was installed, drivers would "race back to the caution"; however, there was a gentlemen's agreement not to race, but to slow down and not pass, to allow slower cars to get their laps back. During a September 14, 2003, Sylvania 300 at New Hampshire International Speedway, Casey Mears came close to contacting the stalled car of Dale Jarrett while racing back to the line during a caution caused by Jarrett's crash. NASCAR chose to abandon the practice and stop racing immediately in the wake of the incident. The rule was created as a way of continuing the practice of yielding to the slower cars without sacrificing safety.If this is the nature of the rule, how does it pertain to dirt track racing?
                              I thought it was so Aaron's got more exposure per race since they driver could not drive a not nail into a snowman????

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