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  • NY DIRT
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 443

    #1

    Attn. Rick schwallie

    First of all, I am a fan of Hudson O,Neal. I do not have a problem with the lucky dog rule.

    But your rule that lets any driver stop on the track to bring out a caution just so they can go the hot pit and make an adjustment to their car without a penalty is wrong, It is a LAME rule and you have the authority and the power to change it.

    And I do not think you should wait until the end of the season. DO IT NOW....

    Thanks in advance, do the right thing George Camp
  • TDRacin®
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 1596

    #2
    What should the "penalty" be?

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    • jb20
      Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 118

      #3
      At the very least it should be that you lose a lap. I wouldn't argue if the penalty was a dq for the night. You see it way too often that guys will stop to bring out a caution and then drive away and head for the hot pit only to rejoin the field in time for the restart with zero consequences.

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      • Tireguy17
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2008
        • 1163

        #4
        Simple fix is that no adjustments are allowed. Only thing you can do is change a flat tire.

        I agree that sometimes the 100 lappers end up screwing the drivers who start and stay up front because they cannot give up the front to pit like those further back can.

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        • raburke23
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2007
          • 412

          #5
          There is a penalty for bringing out a caution. You go to the tail. That seems penalty enough. Now, why a Short Track Late Model Series, who traditionally run 40 and 50 lappers, with the occasional 100 lapper needs a lucky dog rule for a car to get its lap back makes NO sense to me.

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          • EvelB7
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2018
            • 896

            #6
            The real penalty goes to the guy who is leading and has to regroup under caution. A guy getting ready to be lapped stops the race, adjusts his car and moves on... Should not happen, put them a lap down for causing the caution. I do not blame the teams for taking advantage, the series needs to step up and fix it.

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            • kidrock
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 16427

              #7
              Originally posted by Tireguy17 View Post
              Simple fix is that no adjustments are allowed. Only thing you can do is change a flat tire.

              I agree that sometimes the 100 lappers end up screwing the drivers who start and stay up front because they cannot give up the front to pit like those further back can.
              Seems simple enough to me. If you do you lose a lap

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              • over4T
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2015
                • 1101

                #8
                It's the rules makers fault that racers just take advantage of the option to stop and draw a yellow. I've always despised it, both as a racer and as a fan and it for certain cost me a few wins when I prided myself on getting off the track when I could. Taught my son that way too and he does the same. He still remembers attending the first Ohio Speedweek for the Sprints in 1983 and at Sharon it was a rough night and the main was struggling to get finished at 1:30 A.M.
                Bobby Davis, a star out of the Memphis area, stopped in front of the flagstand because he was out of tearoffs with a couple to go. Crowd was ready to lynch him and my then 7 year old asked me why he did that. I told him it was hard to explain and he said he'd never do that.

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                • TDRacin®
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2007
                  • 1596

                  #9
                  Originally posted by raburke23 View Post
                  There is a penalty for bringing out a caution. You go to the tail. That seems penalty enough. Now, why a Short Track Late Model Series, who traditionally run 40 and 50 lappers, with the occasional 100 lapper needs a lucky dog rule for a car to get its lap back makes NO sense to me.
                  But you don't go the tail, you go behind the last car on the lead lap. The "penalty" doesn't always fit the "crime".

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                  • fryefan
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 3547

                    #10
                    Originally posted by NY DIRT View Post
                    First of all, I am a fan of Hudson O,Neal. I do not have a problem with the lucky dog rule.

                    But your rule that lets any driver stop on the track to bring out a caution just so they can go the hot pit and make an adjustment to their car without a penalty is wrong, It is a LAME rule and you have the authority and the power to change it.

                    And I do not think you should wait until the end of the season. DO IT NOW....

                    Thanks in advance, do the right thing George Camp
                    Totally agree. If you stop and do not have a flat tire, then you should be done for the event (or put a lap down).

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                    • ImCryn2
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 885

                      #11
                      It has been this way for at least the last 40 years that I've been involved in racing, now it's an issue because the driver came back and won. Here's the deal, you stop on the track with a flat and they GIVE you 2 laps to change it. Any other issue, you best get done before the race restarts (no courtesy laps). Why do you all feel that a flat tire is fine to cause a caution for, but not a shock that needs work? Isn't it the same dang thing? Debris on the track can jack up a shock just as well as a tire. Personally, I'm more irritated by the same guys getting provisionals all the time, only to be the first caution.

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                      • riddle28
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 1088

                        #12
                        bringing out an intentional caution on pavement is worse than the plague, on dirt its just part of how they do things. theres gotta be some middle ground because stopping a race because you dont like how your cars handling should have more punishment than going to the end of lead lap cars

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                        • MasterSbilt_Racer
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2007
                          • 14320

                          #13
                          There is already a rule that forbids bringing out a caution for your benefit and NOT because of a mechanical problem. It's section 5.12.3 N.

                          Much like body rules, it's just words on paper.
                          Last edited by MasterSbilt_Racer; 10-06-2021, 07:05 AM.
                          Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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                          • MasterSbilt_Racer
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2007
                            • 14320

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Tireguy17 View Post
                            Simple fix is that no adjustments are allowed. Only thing you can do is change a flat tire.

                            I agree that sometimes the 100 lappers end up screwing the drivers who start and stay up front because they cannot give up the front to pit like those further back can.
                            Adjustments, when made in the pit, during someone else's caution, should be allowed.
                            Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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                            • BloomerHarvickFan
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 546

                              #15
                              it's ironic this was the Pittsburgher. I remember, I think 1993, Bloomquist got up out of the groove and stopped in turn 4. As soon as the caution came out, he dove in for a new RR tire. Came back and won the race.
                              This has been going on forever. That was nearly 30 yrs ago.
                              After the race he said, he knew what everybody was on, and that it wasn't the right tire, and he knew everybody would be changing tires, and he wanted to be the first.

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