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  • Josh Bayko
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 8737

    #16
    Originally posted by Mike View Post
    UMP put words on paper. Lets see how many actually gets enforced come winter nationals.

    As for the sanctioning bodies actually taking control back from the manufactures that's never going to happen with those manufacturers being the ones "sponsoring" the series.

    See, I don’t think Five Star cares if they redo the body rules, because everybody will have to buy a new legal nose and body kit from them. They’d probably welcome new body rules because of that.
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    • Mike
      Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 1949

      #17
      Josh Bayko, I didn't say five star cares, but I'm sure they would have some nose and body kits laying around already manufactured that would become obsolete/useless they would lose money on.

      As you already know it wouldn't just effect the nose/body manufactures. If you unhook the cars you make some of those other high dollar parts not necessary to be competitive. I'm sure you remember some of your arguments form 10 years ago when you was against change. You said things like "you can't do that your going to obsolete a bunch of parts" "rake is already built into the chassis" ect.
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      • Josh Bayko
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 8737

        #18
        Originally posted by Mike View Post
        Josh Bayko, I didn't say five star cares, but I'm sure they would have some nose and body kits laying around already manufactured that would become obsolete/useless they would lose money on.

        As you already know it wouldn't just effect the nose/body manufactures. If you unhook the cars you make some of those other high dollar parts not necessary to be competitive. I'm sure you remember some of your arguments form 10 years ago when you was against change. You said things like "you can't do that your going to obsolete a bunch of parts" "rake is already built into the chassis" ect.
        The bodies the years ago were still pretty flat, and the frames do have rake built into the roofs and that isn’t going to change. You can move the t-bars up or down to achieve a flat deck. If the deck has to stay at 39” because of fuel cell location, then move the front bar up to 39” too. The rake in the deck needs to go.

        As far as obsoleting parts, I’ve only ever really said that about shocks, and I stand by that. Standard canister shocks are not, and have never been, the big problem with super late models.
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        • NeedforLM$peed
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2020
          • 1637

          #19
          Are they the ones that brought a Buick motor to speedweeks a couple yrs ago?
          2021 race count
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          • JabberJaws83
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2008
            • 848

            #20
            Originally posted by NeedforLM$peed View Post
            Are they the ones that brought a Buick motor to speedweeks a couple yrs ago?
            That was Donald McIntosh's family team

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            • Mike
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 1949

              #21
              Josh Bayko

              The bodies the years ago were still pretty flat, and the frames do have rake built into the roofs and that isn’t going to change. You can move the t-bars up or down to achieve a flat deck. If the deck has to stay at 39” because of fuel cell location, then move the front bar up to 39” too. The rake in the deck needs to go.

              As far as obsoleting parts, I’ve only ever really said that about shocks, and I stand by that. Standard canister shocks are not, and have never been, the big problem with super late models.
              I’m not going to look it up but I’m pretty sure you said a bunch of parts. Anyway I know you was dead set against enforcing/changing any thing about the bodies back then even as some were saying they were going in the wrong direction and it was hurting the sport.
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              • Mod Runner
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 723

                #22
                The problem sanctioning bodies face when they outlaw certain parts is that racers leave the sanctioning body and go race for a sanctioning body that allows the outlawed parts. A competing sanctioning body will welcome the outlawed cars , as a result changes are hard to make in racing to cut costs.

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                • JabberJaws83
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 848

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Mod Runner View Post
                  The problem sanctioning bodies face when they outlaw certain parts is that racers leave the sanctioning body and go race for a sanctioning body that allows the outlawed parts. A competing sanctioning body will welcome the outlawed cars , as a result changes are hard to make in racing to cut costs.
                  But Francis and Kenneda are supposedly on the same page.

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                  • JustAddDirt
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 1893

                    #24
                    Originally posted by JabberJaws83 View Post
                    But Francis and Kenneda are supposedly on the same page.
                    But is it the right page To keep the sport moving forward and cutting costs so teams can continue to race?
                    I think there should be lifeguards in the genepool.

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                    • MasterSbilt_Racer
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 14310

                      #25
                      Originally posted by JabberJaws83 View Post
                      But Francis and Kenneda are supposedly on the same page.
                      The sanctions have observed each others tech. They still listen to guys cry about self- inflicted shock costs and ignore the wedge bodies on the track. Everyone thinks you need 200 more horsepower because "shocks". It just isn't so.
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                      • JabberJaws83
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 848

                        #26
                        I agree with both of you totally. Nobody wants to fix the most simple piece of the puzzle and I don’t get it.

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                        • Barbecueboy
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 18116

                          #27
                          Follow the money trail ……you will.
                          Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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                          • JabberJaws83
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 848

                            #28
                            Bbq

                            Unfortunately, I know you are correct

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