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  • MasterSbilt_Racer
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 14307

    #31
    Originally posted by BloomerHarvickFan View Post
    I think the only way the big tours are going to pull in more regulars is to have a Charter system like NASCAR, and I really don't want to see that happen.
    Outside of something like that, the drivers have figured out they can judge travel distance, track affinity, car counts, payouts and other factors for themselves and do better than the tours can offer with tow money, provisionals and point funds.
    How does a pay to play system invite more participation?
    Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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    • 84wedge
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2020
      • 2087

      #32
      It's already pay to win.

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      • Crossbones
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 812

        #33
        How is choosing to race a series not your terms? No one is forcing anyone to do it.

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        • ZERO25
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2018
          • 5240

          #34
          Originally posted by GA-DIRT View Post
          Money an more money 
          Time for you to pull those coveralls on and become a car owner again, aint it?

          btw.....will you be at Eastbay?

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          • MasterSbilt_Racer
            Senior Member
            • May 2007
            • 14307

            #35
            Originally posted by Crossbones View Post
            How is choosing to race a series not your terms? No one is forcing anyone to do it.
            Once you join, it's out of your hands. You are stuck with added dates, anything else they do.
            Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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            • Crossbones
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 812

              #36
              Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
              Once you join, it's out of your hands. You are stuck with added dates, anything else they do.
              You can drop off the tour any time you want. Thats your terms.

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              • Krooser
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2012
                • 3117

                #37
                Originally posted by knot View Post
                Is Jimmy Owens not running Lucas this year?
                Not running a tour this year...
                Member of the Luxemburg Speedway Hall of Fame
                Class of 2019

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                • MasterSbilt_Racer
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2007
                  • 14307

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Crossbones View Post
                  You can drop off the tour any time you want. Thats your terms.
                  And your opportunity to make your whole schedule on your own is now gone. That's partially your terms. Joining the tour is like a marriage, it's temporary, but it has some lasting impact.
                  Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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                  • BloomerHarvickFan
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 546

                    #39
                    Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
                    How does a pay to play system invite more participation?
                    I worded that poorly. I wasn't really talking about that aspect of the Charters where you have to buy in, but more just the significant perks and bonuses for being a full time team.
                    More guarantees, more money, other benefits.
                    I do think that if a series were to do that, there should be significant penalties for teams not holding up their end of the bargain too.

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                    • d-glenn
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 4584

                      #40
                      Originally posted by ZERO25 View Post
                      Time for you to pull those coveralls on and become a car owner again, aint it?

                      btw.....will you be at Eastbay?
                      Talked to BB last week and his plans are to be there. He hasn't been down in 3/4 year.
                      -------------------------
                      See you down the road!!!!

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                      • bullring
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 947

                        #41
                        I don't know why anybody would run a tour nowadays unless they had a huge corporate sponsor that wanted them to. A ton of high paying races all over the place now.

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                        • Rajflyboy
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2020
                          • 5907

                          #42
                          Originally posted by bullring View Post
                          I don't know why anybody would run a tour nowadays unless they had a huge corporate sponsor that wanted them to. A ton of high paying races all over the place now.
                          You are totally correct with this 👍

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                          • Jking24
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2017
                            • 1512

                            #43
                            My guess is if jd doesn't have a big season this year and knock down some big numbers landers pulls the plug next year. Pick and choose doesn't fit his ego. Double l motor sports has never been about what makes the most financial sense

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                            • Dlmfan123
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2017
                              • 4519

                              #44
                              Originally posted by bullring View Post
                              I don't know why anybody would run a tour nowadays unless they had a huge corporate sponsor that wanted them to. A ton of high paying races all over the place now.
                              Tow money, pit passes and provisionals are the reason people will still be running a series,

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                              • BloomerHarvickFan
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2007
                                • 546

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Illstate32
                                They're "high paying" if ya win... 
                                No, joke. It's kind of a catch 22. The people who a series really benefit from (big names who win races) are the guys who need a series less.
                                All the guys who can do better picking and choosing are the very guys a series needs to market themselves and draw crowds.

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