Are the Super's too expensive?

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  • BTExpress
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2015
    • 1212

    #1

    Are the Super's too expensive?

    I know this topic has been debated before, but what can be done to help improve car counts at the Regional level? Made my 2022 dirt track debut last night at Williams Grove for the 410 sprint cars & the ULMS late models. A PERFECT doubleheader in my opinion. No extra classes, and my favorite two divisions together for a reasonable $20 admission price. Granted the weather was on the cooler side and The Grove generally does not produce exciting racing for the DLM's, but I was really disappointed with a 15 car DLM field. The purse was "decent" with $3500 to win for the late models. After a few incidents in the heats, the feature started 13 cars. A bright spot for me, was seeing Scrub, Rick Eckert get the win. His winning never gets old for me. Something needs to be done to help improve car counts. Other than Port Royal, this seems to be the norm in my neck of the woods at Hagerstown, Winchester, Delaware International, Potomac, Selinsgrove etc. Kind of sad really......
    Last edited by BTExpress; 03-26-2022, 01:57 PM.
  • Knowitall93w
    Banned
    • Aug 2021
    • 54

    #2
    Yes. Dumb question. Next

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    • Dlmfan123
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2017
      • 4520

      #3
      The weather and last weeks track conditions kept cars away from the grove last night

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      • Paradox28
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2013
        • 286

        #4
        every part of life is expensive right now...its a survival year

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        • Rajflyboy
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2020
          • 5907

          #5
          Chevy LS crate motors boys and girls

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          • MasterSbilt_Racer
            Senior Member
            • May 2007
            • 14320

            #6
            People make them too expensive by wasting money. They CAN be too expensive.
            Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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            • MasterSbilt_Racer
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 14320

              #7
              Originally posted by Rajflyboy View Post
              Chevy LS crate motors boys and girls
              Don't need more crates. Get one out of a car or truck and improve it yourself.
              Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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              • slmcrewchief99
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 738

                #8
                D@mn a Chevrolet!!!!!

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                • zyoung25
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 8955

                  #9
                  Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
                  Don't need more crates. Get one out of a car or truck and improve it yourself.
                  Some people on here try to tell you that you can't go to a junk yard and get some 5.3 out of a truck and make it work. I'm glad you are to tell them you can make it work 🤣

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                  • Rajflyboy
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2020
                    • 5907

                    #10
                    Modified LS. I’m cool with that.

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                    • Josh Bayko
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 8749

                      #11
                      Every rule made to save money ends up costing more money.
                      Follow me on Twitter: @JoshBayko

                      Guerrilla Racing Junkies!

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                      • dirtcrazy4u
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2017
                        • 3212

                        #12
                        You will never stop technology, and that's what drives cost up. Look at today's motors, sure they cost 60k, but they don't seem to grenade like they used to. To bring costs back in line they need to take away all the aero the cars have today. Free them up and you don't need the HP they make today.

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                        • dynotimeonly
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2007
                          • 988

                          #13
                          Absolutely SPOT-ON saying this is a survival year. ALL costs are thru the roof. Doesn't matter if you race a 4cyl or a late model. We started noticing years ago less and less asses in the stands. THATS the REAL problem! Only so many dollars left over when it costs $50 to fill your vehicle and $125 to buy 3 bags of groceries and a gallon of milk. Besides, WHY go sit 5 hrs to see 7 different divisions when you can sit home and watch it the next day free of FB or someone "streaming" from the stands.
                          As far as Bristol goes. These "promotors" are taking advantage of a sport that the little Saturday night tracks created. They don't give a flying crap the local tracks may as well shut down while they have they're mega events. The ONLY way things are gonna survive is we QUIT paying team "A" and half million and start taking care of team "B"! These hot-dog teams starting up front and riding around need to end. Christ sake they're cars don't even get dirty. I doud't the 44 even broke a sweat last night? And talk about a blah,blah,blah victory lane interview! He could care less. His eye's where rolling like a slot machine in Vegas.

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                          • MasterSbilt_Racer
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2007
                            • 14320

                            #14
                            Originally posted by dirtcrazy4u View Post
                            You will never stop technology, and that's what drives cost up. Look at today's motors, sure they cost 60k, but they don't seem to grenade like they used to. To bring costs back in line they need to take away all the aero the cars have today. Free them up and you don't need the HP they make today.
                            Often times, it's perceived technology. Why else do spring rods come back 25 years after their first introduction? Why are the classified full of Penske air dump? How many cars still have an air shock on the LR? Why do guys change shock brands 3 times a season and go the same speed? All 3 shocks are as good as the guy who built them. All three force oil through an orifice to produce a force with a relationship relative to the shaft speed. Why do guys pay $50k for an engine to run mid pack and never push the throttle pedal past 50%? There are people who spent my teams annual budget to have tungsten axle tubes manufactured. Did it help? Was that the only way?

                            Racing costs whatever you want to spend. Every once in a while, a dollar actually translates to speed. That usually comes from hiring someone who can tell you how to better use what you have.
                            Last edited by MasterSbilt_Racer; 03-27-2022, 07:37 AM.
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                            • Karl Childers
                              Junior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 20

                              #15
                              The Topic // Is late models too expensive ?
                              How wide is a late model tire ? Im guessing 12 or 13 inches.
                              I have said this a couple times reduce the width down to 10 inches.
                              Over night fix... fair for everyone... less horse power.
                              Am i nuts or please tell me why this would not bring down cost.

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