Davenport. How is he that good?

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  • kidrock
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 16409

    #31
    Things change and the sport evolves over time. Sometimes good and sometime bad and right now the racing up front is not that good but, it seems like the racing for 4,5,6 and on back have had some decent racing. I'm a fan of dirtying up the car so, it's not so aero dependent.

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    • billetbirdcage
      Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 2019

      #32
      Originally posted by kidrock View Post
      Last year it was Overton, this year it's Davenport. I don't know if the droop rule has played a part in it or not. There are plenty of guys on here that could answer that. I will wait for their answers.
      One could never say what hurt him without being on the team and knowing what's all going on there.

      From an outside looking in perspective:

      Overton raced under the droop rule at times when he dominated especially eldora, however the way droop was checked changed from last year and it bite him at the first race and he was DQ'ed. They started measuring droop with the RR off the ground also and he made a change on the RR shock from the heat to feature and didn't think about it's effect with the new rule and got bite by it. He hasn't made that mistake since.

      Overton for sure had an aero advantage under the old rule but so did couple other teams, This was why the rule was changed as everyone started figuring out the cheat (not a good word for this but it was a legal bypass to the intent of the rule) a few teams where doing on the droop rule measurement. I can tell you on some cars this was 2.5" more LR deck hieght which is easily 250# more down force on the back of the car.

      People also don't know about lots of other things that happen, like having something and they decide it's not illegal by the rules but tell you to not come back with it on the car. There are countless things teams have been told to not comeback with and never made it into the rule book. Generally it only makes it into the rulebook if its something widely known, but come up with something and tech sees it and don't like it before the competition does, its not gonna be in the rule book, its just a verbal ban. Could have something like that happened to him, sure but that's pure speculation.

      My 2 cents

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      • Finnfan25
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2019
        • 162

        #33
        Like several have mentioned, historically these things tend to be cyclical. Good teams adjust, great drivers adjust quicker. Heck I'm such an old DLM fan I can remember way back when Darrell Lanigan once dominated WoO for an entire season or two. I swear I didn't make that up, don't laugh.... it really was once DARRELL LANIGAN dominating!

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        • jensenracing1818
          Member
          • Jul 2021
          • 40

          #34
          Originally posted by Finnfan25 View Post
          Like several have mentioned, historically these things tend to be cyclical. Good teams adjust, great drivers adjust quicker. Heck I'm such an old DLM fan I can remember way back when Darrell Lanigan once dominated WoO for an entire season or two. I swear I didn't make that up, don't laugh.... it really was once DARRELL LANIGAN dominating!
          if you consider 2009ish-2014 old the rest of us are probably ancient lol but lets be honest the WoO competition really wasn't that great during his couple championships either.
          "The closer you are to the fence, the less it hurts when you hit it"-Jack Hewitt "

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          • fastford
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 4059

            #35
            the old man that helped me get started ran a car down here in the 60,s , 70,s and early 80,s that dominated nearly every race they entered down here , he had a cousin that lived in Indy and every winter he would slip off and go visit his cousin that had connections with about every speed shop in Indy , being the center of speed at the time , they were well ahead of us on the learning curve , so he would look at what they were doing and come back home and make these changes to his car and along with a good driver , they flat azz dominated , every one else was racing for 2nd place , he did not have much money but he had skills and could build most every thing himself , those days are long gone , no matter how you look at it , it takes a substantial amount of money to buy todays technology to be competitive in a late model dirt car , period.....

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            • Barchetta6
              Junior Member
              • Jun 2014
              • 25

              #36
              He used to hammer the top. All the time. He races much better now. Drives it straight and doesn’t slide tires. As for equipment, the top 30-40 teams at Eldora had everything they could want. If tracks are smooth and slick expect more of the same.

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              • MIdlmfan
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2020
                • 174

                #37
                Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
                The guy paying the bills buys every part the car needs. His dad is a better crewman than you could likely hire. That poor team dog ain't hunting.
                And that may be true but after the top half a dozen or so you have to admit it’s a different league. JD says he spends a lot of time watching films and drivers tendencies at different tracks. Josh is working and then working on his car. Not shedding tears for Josh though everybody that is in that top half a dozen came up going through the same thing Josh is having to go through. And to your point having dad Jerry in his back pocket certainly doesn’t hurt the effort!

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                • Josh Bayko
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2007
                  • 8737

                  #38
                  Every year there’s a dominant guy, just as it was said above. Two years ago it was Sheppard. Last year it was Overton. This year it’s Davenport. Next year, it’ll likely be someone else. It’s hard to stay on top forever.

                  For instance, this very type of thread about JD also happened back in 2015. Then his 2016 was less than stellar.
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                  • ZERO25
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2018
                    • 5240

                    #39
                    Same ole story.........people hate winners!

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                    • dirty-white-boy
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 996

                      #40
                      Originally posted by ZERO25 View Post
                      Same ole story.........people hate winners!
                      Yea genius you are right, everyone hates Bloomer, Moyer, Dale Sr, Gordon, John Force, Larson and and anyone else thats a winner!

                      When someone is that dominant it just makes people ask why? Just like my post originally asked, what makes him that good over every other team in the sport right now.

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                      • ZERO25
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2018
                        • 5240

                        #41
                        Can you send that to my wife? I’ve been telling her that for 35 years. Thanks!

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                        • Raceready
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2015
                          • 4737

                          #42
                          Originally posted by dirty-white-boy View Post
                          Yea genius you are right, everyone hates Bloomer, Moyer, Dale Sr, Gordon, John Force, Larson and and anyone else thats a winner! When someone is that dominant it just makes people ask why? Just like my post originally asked, what makes him that good over every other team in the sport right now.
                          There was a time when old Black Jack Boggs and Chargin Charley Swartz were under the microscope for their winning ways !

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                          • MasterSbilt_Racer
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2007
                            • 14310

                            #43
                            Originally posted by dirty-white-boy View Post
                            Yea genius you are right, everyone hates Bloomer, Moyer, Dale Sr, Gordon, John Force, Larson and and anyone else thats a winner!

                            When someone is that dominant it just makes people ask why? Just like my post originally asked, what makes him that good over every other team in the sport right now.
                            If the right people knew, he wouldn't be so dominant. He has better corner speed.
                            Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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                            • MADCAPRACING22
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 202

                              #44
                              He just is. I love it too. I remember the self anointed crowd on here calling him a regional driver at best. Been following him for a while and watched him grow. I watched him change the sport and the way you drive a super late model. He is the best!
                              When it's time to go, I'll go! Until then I got nothing to lose! -Roy Hall

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                              • Raceready
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2015
                                • 4737

                                #45
                                Also sometimes luck helps out . Young Bobby Pierce most likely would've won yesterday if the car hadn't just shut on off .

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